First cycle - please comment! THanks!

[AnabolicNewbie]

Short and sweet:
- 26 / 7 years bodybuilding 3-5 times per week / 6 foot / 210 pounds
- After putting a lot of non AS crap in my body for years (creatine, tribulus, HMB, Andro, etc.), reaching a plateau, and reading more and more on AS... I've decided to try it out. Seems that if it's done in a smart, controlled manner... it's not that bad for my body and maybe the other "natural" or "legal" supps I've been doing through out the years might of been worst.

Here's the plan:
week 1-4 => D-Bol (30-40mg/day)
week 1-10 => Test Enanthanate (2x250mg Mon&Thurs)
week 12-15 => PCT (2 weeks after last injection)

PCT:
Day 1 => Nolvadex 100mg
Day 2-11 => Nolvadex 60mg
Day 12-21 => Nolvadex 40/20mg

*** Trying to follow the KISS method (Keep It Simple Stupid) for my first cycle ***

- First, let me have it... what do you guys think?
- Second, is it really necc. to start doses of Nolva before the PCT even if I don't see any signs of gyno?
- Third, Should I really work hard on finding Clomid to combine with Nolva for my PCT or will Nolva work fine for my first cycle?
- Fourth, please help me build my list of all the other supps I need during the cycle (Milk Thistle, ***** 3, Multi, etc.) and when and how much should I take? I know this can be long but I want to get all my stuff together before I even think of starting a cycle.
- I think that's it. Seriously, AWESOME Forum, great posts, great contributions and a BIG thank you in advance to anyone who replies.

Ahhh yes... diet and training I've got covered (not that my diet is perfect right now, but it will be when I do the cycle).

Thanks again!

The AnabolicNewbie

[C_Bino]

The cycle itself seems ok man. The PCT is what Im worried about. You dont need anywhere near 100mg nolva. Also I would add in something else like arimidex/aromasin or even clomid to help out.
And NEVER limit your PCT time, especially to three weeks, run it until your sex drive returns or you test levels are verified via bloodwork.

Keep nolva at 20mg per week, no need to go higher.

[Bigmax]

Hey bro,welcome to AR...Looks like you did some research!!!...I like the cycle for your first...most people will tell you to do 1 compound but I dont see a problem with kicck starting it with dbol.You pct looks ok but i dont think you need that much nolva..Clomid is funny cause people will do well on it while other people cant deal with some of the sides...you would have to check that one out and see if it works for you.Me ,I use nolva with trib....about 3,000mgs to be exact and i'm fine with that.Good luck to you and let us know how you do.

[D-Money]

Hey bro,welcome to AR...Looks like you did some research!!!...I like the cycle for your first...most people will tell you to do 1 compound but I dont see a problem with kicck starting it with dbol.You pct looks ok but i dont think you need that much nolva..Clomid is funny cause people will do well on it while other people cant deal with some of the sides...you would have to check that one out and see if it works for you.Me ,I use nolva with trib....about 3,000mgs to be exact and i'm fine with that.Good luck to you and let us know how you do.

Thsi cycle looks good to me. I like hcg for pct, but thats just me.I notice a lot of guys "jumpstart" on an serm, like a large amonts of it the first day, I never understood the logic of it.

[Surrender]

I'd personally stick with the test only. if you put two compounds in you and have problems, how will you know which one created it. Do test only at 500 mgs a week.

Usually after the first cycle you will need another compound to add to it to get the gains your looking for. This is where d-bol will come in handy for the 2nd cycle should you wish one.

I'm 54 and have been doing gear for years and know.

[Superhuman]

that is the same exact cycle that I did for the first time, and it worked very well for me!

[AnabolicNewbie]

Thanks guys... I really appreciate it.
The reason for the higher amount of Nolva for my PCT is because I'm planning on doing it standalone. I got the numbers off many forums and this link also (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp). It seems more common to combine Nolva with Clomid and run something like this:
Day 1 clomid 150mg, novla 60mg
Day 2-11 clomid 100mg, novla 40mg
Day 12-21 clomid 50mg, novla 20mg

- Is my PCT numbers for "Nolva only" still too high?
Day 1 => Nolvadex 100mg
Day 2-11 => Nolvadex 60mg
Day 12-21 => Nolvadex 40/20mg

You guys answers my first question pretty well and I'm pretty much "set" as far as AS goes (might drop the D-Bol kicker... I'll do more research first)

If you guys have time or don't mind, I had these questions also:

- Is it really necc. to start doses of Nolva before the PCT even if I don't see any signs of gyno? Some posts seem to only say to take Nolva/Clomid/hcg as PCT but have some "on hand" in case of gyno during the cycle... but some suggest taking a small dose throughout + the PCT

- Should I really work hard on finding Clomid to combine with Nolva for my PCT or will Nolva work fine for my first cycle?

- Please help me build my list of all the other supps I need during the cycle (Milk Thistle, Om*ga 3, MultiVitamine, etc.) and when and how much should I take (doses and time)? I know this can be long but I want to get all my stuff together before I even think of starting a cycle.

THANK YOU!

[goalseeker]

good to see research being done.....

[lightwaytbaby]

-its nice to have the nolva on hand just in case you start seeing sides...
-PCT is diffrent for everybody, me personally i stick to 20mg of Nolvadex, but i dont do "HEAVY" cycles...
-Dianabol is pretty harsh on your liver, i would reccomend 250mg of milk thistle daily, and 1-2 gallons of water daily, with a vitamin b6 supplment.

[briansauras]

personally I would run the dbol for 5-6wks and the test for 12wks. for liver protection i use liv 52(2 caps am/2 pm) and 800mg-1g milk thistle.
i usually run 100mg clomid day1-30, 20mg nolva until i feel recovered and it seems to work pretty well. others like to throw in arimidex or letro, vit e, igf.

[AnabolicNewbie]

Thanks guys! I got my shopping list... now it's time to find all that stuff. I'll keep you posted on the results. Again, great Forum... I'll try to contribute as much as I can.

[gained75]

or if your only gonna run nolva i would say instead of the first session at 100 i would run 60, then 40, then 20 till your good

[AnabolicNewbie]

I've decided to get both (Clomid/Nolva)... I'd don't want to mess around... put the best chances on my side of having success and staying healthy during my first cycle.

[briansauras]

or if your only gonna run nolva i would say instead of the first session at 100 i would run 60, then 40, then 20 till your good

there is no reason to run clomid at that high of a dose.

[AnabolicNewbie]

FINAL UPDATE!

What I have:
Test-E => 2 X 10ml (250mg/ml) => 5000mg
D-Bol => 100 X 10mg => 1000mg
Nolva => 100 X 10mg => 1000mg
Clomid => 50 X 50mg => 2500mg

The plan:
Week 1-4 => D-Bol (week 1-2: 30mg/day / week 2-4: 40mg/day)
Week 1-10 => Test Enanthanate (2x250mg Mon&Thurs)
Week 12-16 => PCT (2 weeks after last injection)

PCT (will run until sex drive returns):
Day 1-20 => Clomid 100mg/day / Nolva 40mg/day
Day 21-30 => Clomid 50mg/day / Nolva 20mg/day

Times to take stuff:
Test-E => Monday AM, Thursday PM
D-Bol => 2 doses 10mg-20mg AM / 20mg 45 minutes before training
Clomid/Nolva => Split on 2 doses AM and PM
Milk Thistle => First month while on D-bol 3 X 300mg/day with meals
Multivitamin => 1 complete with breakfast throughout the cycle
Food => 5-6 meals a day with 40g of protein each

Two questions:
- Do I need to take Milk Thistle throughout the cycle or only the first month while I’m on D-bol?
- Any of these products (clomid/nolva/d-bol) hard to digest that I should take with meals?

That’s it… thanks for all your help, starting in 9 days!!! Can’t wait!!! Anything missing??? Still time to do corrections if needed.

[AnabolicNewbie]

Two questions:
- Do I need to take Milk Thistle throughout the cycle or only the first month while I’m on D-bol?
- Any of these products (clomid/nolva/d-bol) hard to digest that I should take with meals?

Bump... thank you!