any actaul evidence for time on+time off rule?

[oneandonly0_1]

does any1 know any actual scientific research to support the commonly held belief that your time off gear should equal your time on gear in order to allow body to recover etc.

also if i were to take a compound which would control SHGB levels eg proviron, winstrol would it be feasible to go back on AAS quicker due to the elevated SHGB levels being responsible for the limited gains experienced in many back to back cycles?

[daem]

does any1 know any actual scientific research to support the commonly held belief that your time off gear should equal your time on gear in order to allow body to recover etc.

also if i were to take a compound which would control SHGB levels eg proviron, winstrol would it be feasible to go back on AAS quicker due to the elevated SHGB levels being responsible for the limited gains experienced in many back to back cycles?

For the short answer, your receptors are downgraded after prolonged use. Your body builds up a tolerance to the gear in the same way you would build a tolerance to alcohol.

Time off = time off is just a convenient way to remember that you should give your body a break from supraphysiological levels of hormones because no one knows what long term use will really do on a case by case basis.

[Swifto]

For the short answer, your receptors are downgraded after prolonged use. Your body builds up a tolerance to the gear in the same way you would build a tolerance to alcohol.

Time off = time off is just a convenient way to remember that you should give your body a break from supraphysiological levels of hormones because no one knows what long term use will really do on a case by case basis.

Receptor up regulation and down regulation is a myth. "Building a tolerance to anabolic steroids"...Yes.

[Swifto]

There are many effects/actions we have not discovered and understand on how AS work in our bodies, mechanisms etc...This is why no one individual has put their finger on why back to back cycles dont work as well IMHO. We are learning and there are many theoris. Like, increased SHBG and others.

[stupidhippo]

good answer swifto... I believe the answer is a complex myriad of things which probably many factors take part.. the end result is though that we build up a tolerance to gear..

[daem]

Receptor up regulation and down regulation is a myth. "Building a tolerance to anabolic steroids"...Yes.

Although receptor downgrade hasn't actually been proven, can can we actually rule it out at this present time?

It was my understanding that it is still plausible, however your 2nd post about "other factors" and mechanisms is most certainly the issue at hand.

If I'm wrong about the plausibility, please correct :-)

[Swifto]

Although receptor downgrade hasn't actually been proven, can can we actually rule it out at this present time?

It was my understanding that it is still plausible, however your 2nd post about "other factors" and mechanisms is most certainly the issue at hand.

If I'm wrong about the plausibility, please correct :-)

One couldnt argue your wrong, as no one has a definitive answer at present.

[daem]

One couldnt argue your wrong, as no one has a definitive answer at present.

I don't care about being wrong/right...I just wanted to make sure I am passing along credible information free of bias.

Slippery slope with some advice/info since no one really knows!

Thanks Swifto

[Swifto]

This is one of the most, if not the most, intresting and factual threads I've ever come across on this subject. It may give you a headache reading it all though...Needs to be broken down a bit.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=shbg+receptor

[Swifto]

I'm not saying your "wrong"...But I feel there is more evidence to prove up/down regulation doesnt occur than it does IMHO.

[marcus300]

The general rule is time on =time off thats with the general type of cycles and average dosages, this is more or less the time for the body to get back to normal and hopefully to be fully recovered, to be certain bloodwork would determine this,

Now if certain compounds are used the recovery is alot faster, Ive experienced this myself but i must say this does vary alot between individuals, which brings us back round to everybody is different when you introduce chemicals into our body's, some people recover faster some don't, some respond better some don't,

Studies/theory's are total rubbish because when one comes out saying a certain thing another one comes out saying the opposite, Ive seen this many times within this game,

Without doubt your body builds up a tolerance to gear and more and more is needed if you cycle to close together, your body cant carry on growing it only does it in short bursts no matter what you do the body's takes over and builds some tolerance up so the gear is useless,

This is why i do heavy short burst cycles, i prime my body hit my cycle and explode into growth when growth as stop i come off and recover no point in damaging your body with more with sides, i am very in tune with my body how it responds and recovers so i know how many days i can grow and how many it takes to recover,

Its all about knowing your own body and how it responds to certain compounds and how fast you recover from them, as you cycle more and more the you will have the answer, there isn't one fail prove answer just like many things in this game,

[stayinstacked]

I got your evidence right here, come look at my nuts!!!

[cfiler]

It's more of a guildline. Best thing to do is to have your blood levels checked. That will let you know if you need to wait longer to run a cycle, or if your body is ready in a quicker time frame.

[cfiler]

I got your evidence right here, come look at my nuts!!!

Thanks for the offer, but I'd rather take your word for it.

[mick-g]

For myself i usually do 12-14wk cycles and take 3months off and i include pct. I know your supposed to not count pct, but i usually recover pretty quickly. It all depends on how each individual recovers, but generally time on=time off.

[magic32]

The evidence stems largely from the fact that this time span correlates well with bloodwork. Subsequently, many in the the bb community simply began adopting this principle/measure in lieu of said b-work, though the latter is preferred.

M.