Why wouldnt you run Deca with Winstrol ?

**guest589745** · 09-07-2006, 05:54 PM

I have read people suggesting to not take deca with winstrol but I really dont understand exactly why. Especially considering a 19nor+DHT is almost a "complete stack" (IMO). Also, deca commonly relieveing joint pain and winstrol causing joint irritation, couldnt they potentially balance eachother out so to speak?

Any thoughts?

**one8nine** · 09-07-2006, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

I have read people suggesting to not take deca with winstrol but I really dont understand exactly why. Especially considering a 19nor+DHT is almost a "complete stack" (IMO). Also, deca commonly relieveing joint pain and winstrol causing joint irritation, couldnt they potentially balance eachother out so to speak?

Any thoughts?

i can't answer your main question btu i can answe the bold. i started a thread for the bold question a long time ago and came up with this

deca: + on joints due to fluid holding

winny: - for joints due to weaker (although increased) collogen synthesis

so basicly, youll have weak joints with plenty of lubrication.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-07-2006, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

i can't answer your main question btu i can answe the bold. i started a thread for the bold question a long time ago and came up with this

deca : + on joints due to fluid holding

winny: - for joints due to weaker (although increased) collogen synthesis

so basicly, youll have weak joints with plenty of lubrication.

Winstrol dries out your joints. No water. Deca adds progesterone water retention in them=partially lubed joints.

Winstrol goes with deca like peanut butter & jelly.

**guest589745** · 09-07-2006, 08:39 PM

Bump for more info.

**one8nine** · 09-07-2006, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Winstrol dries out your joints. No water. Deca adds progesterone water retention in them=partially lubed joints.

Winstrol goes with deca like peanut butter & jelly.

im sure thats a factor too but are you saying that winny isnt going to have an effect on collogen synthesis?
all im trying to say is that there is something bad with winny that deca cant handle and thats improving the quality of collogen synthesis

**guest589745** · 09-07-2006, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

im sure thats a factor too but are you saying that winny isnt going to have an effect on collogen synthesis?
all im trying to say is that there is something bad with winny that deca cant handle and thats improving the quality of collogen synthesis

Where did you hear that winny does this? If it is from goose's thread, I have heard it was unfortunately, false.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-07-2006, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Where did you hear that winny does this? If it is from goose's thread, I have heard it was unfortunately, false.

That thead on collegan whatever the hell is false. Nothing to back it up. Goose didn't write it, but he did repost it. Winstrol & deca = no water retention. It's also suppose to block progesterone related sides Like gyno I've read...but not sure if it's true or not...

**guest589745** · 09-07-2006, 09:19 PM

Winstrol , like masteron in the aspect that it is a dht derivative, thus it would have some anti estrogen related properties I believe.

**C_Bino** · 09-07-2006, 09:43 PM

I would run them together. And in fact I probably will in a couple weeks. Im using NPP FOR SURE, and then I will be adding var or winny most likely. Not 100% sure yet but will let you know when I decide.

**guest589745** · 09-07-2006, 09:47 PM

Thanks Bino, keep us posted.

**marcus300** · 09-07-2006, 11:18 PM

Yes bb's do run them together but with a test also, ive seen a few threads lately wanting to run just deca and winny which is something i wouldnt do at all, id always run some form of test with it.

**guest589745** · 09-07-2006, 11:19 PM

Your timing is impecable marcus

**marcus300** · 09-07-2006, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Your timing is impecable marcus

Thankyou thats what my girlfriend says

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 09-08-2006, 03:31 AM

Hmm.. Interesting.... I was wondering myself why ppl were so divided whether it was a good or bad combo... maybe ppl think it doesnt go together because one is traditionally used for bulking and the other for cutting...

And I agree, personally I would throw in some test

But i have one question: Would this deca /winny(/test) combo be better for bulking or cutting?

**marcus300** · 09-08-2006, 03:50 AM

[QUOTE=InsaneInTheMembrane]Hmm.. Interesting.... I was wondering myself why ppl were so divided whether it was a good or bad combo... maybe ppl think it doesnt go together because one is traditionally used for bulking and the other for cutting...

And I agree, personally I would throw in some test

But i have one question: Would this deca/winny(/test) combo be better for bulking or cutting?[/QUOTE]
Either depends what my goals were for the cycle,

for bulking i would use a long ester test and run the winny for the last 6 weeks of the cycle up to pct time, and for cutting id use a short ester test, diet would detirmine bulking or cutting more than what compounds are used.

**DarKOmeN** · 09-08-2006, 04:05 AM

interesting so if diets correct deca n test r a great TOOL for cutting

**marcus300** · 09-08-2006, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by DarKOmeN

interesting so if diets correct deca n test r a great TOOL for cutting

Test is great for cutting, ester and diet would detirmine the best results, more so diet,

Deca is more or less used for bulking but it as been used and ive used it in cutting cycling, i would plan good cutting compounds to go along side it and Diet would detirmine the results best results of the cutting cycle.

**DarKOmeN** · 09-08-2006, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Test is great for cutting, ester and diet would detirmine the best results, more so diet,

Deca is more or less used for bulking but it as been used and ive used it in cutting cycling, i would plan good cutting compounds to go along side it and Diet would detirmine the results best results of the cutting cycle.

"knowledge n experience is the KEY"

**magic32** · 09-08-2006, 09:13 AM

Hey Skull,

You might find this a good read:

http://www.intense-training.com/foru...8627%20-%2054k

Be sure to see the referencing link for more detail.

M.

**got test?** · 09-08-2006, 11:49 AM

The reason you dont want to run Deca with Winny is PRIMARILY sex drive. yea, all that other stuff is true as well. but my personal concern would def. be sex drive. That's why marcus said to throw some test in there.. Throw in some test and your cycle will be golden...

**got test?** · 09-08-2006, 11:49 AM

The reason you dont want to run Deca with Winny is PRIMARILY sex drive. yea, all that other stuff is true as well. but my personal concern would def. be sex drive. That's why marcus said to throw some test in there.. Throw in some test and your cycle will be golden...

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 09-08-2006, 01:38 PM

Either depends what my goals were for the cycle,

for bulking i would use a long ester test and run the winny for the last 6 weeks of the cycle up to pct time, and for cutting id use a short ester test, diet would detirmine bulking or cutting more than what compounds are used.

got it! quite the versatile combo!

thanx bro

cheers

**rodge** · 09-08-2006, 03:09 PM

test+deca +winny is great imo bulking or cutting (even did contest prep on it)

-rodge

**fitman** · 09-09-2006, 08:48 AM

iknow many bb`s who just using deca and winstrol on cutting diet.

**guest589745** · 09-09-2006, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by fitman

iknow many bb`s who just using deca and winstrol on cutting diet.

Without any test? Who? Hows thier sex life?

**rock75** · 09-09-2006, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

That thead on collegan whatever the hell is false. Nothing to back it up. Goose didn't write it, but he did repost it. Winstrol & deca = no water retention. It's also suppose to block progesterone related sides Like gyno I've read...but not sure if it's true or not...

this combo is highly recommended by MH for that exact same reason

**fitman** · 09-09-2006, 02:25 PM

skullsmasher, who? idont think you know them. and i dont know how their sex life is. but iknow the guys, and they are experienced BB`s,and they use it without test.

**guest589745** · 09-09-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by fitman

skullsmasher, who? idont think you know them. and i dont know how their sex life is. but iknow the guys, and they are experienced BB`s,and they use it without test.

Oh ok, just curiuos.