First Cycle Suggestions?

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

The combination of those compounds will result is more overall side effects then test only.

500mgs of TEST is MORE ANDROGENIC than the stack I outlined.

500mgs of TEST is ESTROGENIC! VERY! My stack has NO ESTROGENIC activity(except for MINIMAL conversion via the EQ).

500mgs of TEST wil cause HPTA SHUTDOWN. My stack will NOT cause HPTA SHUTDOWN.

My stack is extremely gentle.

500mgs of TEST for a 1st cycle is simply DOGMATIC.

***G-1000*** · 09-09-2006, 11:43 AM

sides affects from Ross cycle.

Hail loss
High Bp
Dry joints
Weaken tendons
Acne
Liver damage. He has two aa compunds in this cyle and run them for 14 weeks.

Not only you will have to inject winny ed. Not advised for a first time user. Also injections will be pain fill.

Only injections will be 4 time the amount of that in test alone.

**r1ddl3r** · 09-09-2006, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by mileliofthard

500mgs of TEST is MORE ANDROGENIC than the stack I outlined.

500mgs of TEST is ESTROGENIC! VERY! My stack has NO ESTROGENIC activity(except for MINIMAL conversion via the EQ).

500mgs of TEST wil cause HPTA SHUTDOWN. My stack will NOT cause HPTA SHUTDOWN.

My stack is extremely gentle.

500mgs of TEST for a 1st cycle is simply DOGMATIC.

Oh, so you are the KNOWLEDGABLE BRO who invented this protocol?

**SMAN12b** · 09-09-2006, 11:43 AM

Hello Ross, enjoy your short stay again

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:44 AM

The cycle I outlined is a PRIMOBOLAN/EQUIPOISE cycle, with a Injectable Winstrol as a JUMPSTART and ANAVAR as a FINISH.

Androgen levels NEVER get too high.

***G-1000*** · 09-09-2006, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by mileliofthard

500mgs of TEST is MORE ANDROGENIC than the stack I outlined.

500mgs of TEST is ESTROGENIC! VERY! My stack has NO ESTROGENIC activity(except for MINIMAL conversion via the EQ).

500mgs of TEST wil cause HPTA SHUTDOWN. My stack will NOT cause HPTA SHUTDOWN.

My stack is extremely gentle.

500mgs of TEST for a 1st cycle is simply DOGMATIC.

Bro i don’t disagree with you on your point. The thing is that is to much for a beginner.

It is too complicated and has way to many injections. Also if they have a reaction to any of the compound they will know what one it is.

**r1ddl3r** · 09-09-2006, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by mileliofthard

The cycle I outlined is a PRIMOBOLAN/EQUIPOISE cycle, with a Injectable Winstrol as a JUMPSTART and ANAVAR as a FINISH.

Androgen levels NEVER get too high.

***G-1000*** · 09-09-2006, 11:47 AM

I the case thay your trying to make a var only cycle would make most sense.

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

sides affects from Ross cycle.

Hail loss
High Bp
Dry joints
Weaken tendons
Acne
Liver damage. He has two aa compunds in this cyle and run them for 14 weeks.

Not only you will have to inject winny ed. Not advised for a first time user. Also injections will be pain fill.

Only injections will be 4 time the amount of that in test alone.

Primo/Equiopoise AND ANAVAR ALL STRENGTHEN JOINTS AND TENDONS! LOL.

ACNE is NOT an issue--UNLIKE TESTOSTERONE, which will cause ACNE.

High Blood-pressure is moer common on testosterone , due to HIGH androgen levels.

Liver damage is NEAR impossible at my suggested dosage/durations.

Let's get the FACTS straight..

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-09-2006, 11:49 AM

Weeks 1-10: Primobolan Enanthate , 600mgs
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise , 600mgs
Weeks 1-6: Winstrol Injectable, 100mgs ED
Weeks 6-14: Anavar , 50mgs ED

Oh! I sense joint pain.

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:49 AM

Don't get me wrong...

TESTOSTERONE is ESSENTIAL in almost ALL BULKING cycles--except for the first FEW.

Having said that, I only use testosterone PROPIONATE , and limit my cycle durations with TESTOSTERONE for 8-10 weeks MAX.

***G-1000*** · 09-09-2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by mileliofthard

Primo/Equiopoise AND ANAVAR ALL STRENGTHEN JOINTS AND TENDONS! LOL. Winny and var are

ACNE is NOT an issue--UNLIKE TESTOSTERONE, which will cause ACNE.Bull shit winny and eq will give acne.

High Blood-pressure is moer common on testosterone , due to HIGH androgen levels. With var and eq high bp is common

Liver damage is NEAR impossible at my suggested dosage/durations. You have 100mg winny a day. That is not a low dose. Then var at 50mg for 9 weeks?

Let's get the FACTS straight..

Lets

**briancb1** · 09-09-2006, 11:51 AM

I do hear sometimes that this board pushes Test a little too hard but purchasing how much gear for a first cycle and doing how many injections is ok for a new guy?
Lets be real, I dont' kow of any new guy that wants to do ED injections or drop that much money on something he/she is just trying out for the first time.

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:51 AM

Primo/Equiopoise AND ANAVAR ALL STRENGTHEN JOINTS AND TENDONS! LOL.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-09-2006, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by mileliofthard

[B]Primo/Equiopoise AND ANAVAR ALL STRENGTHEN JOINTS AND TENDONS! LOL.[/B]
ACNE is NOT an issue--UNLIKE TESTOSTERONE, which will cause ACNE.

High Blood-pressure is moer common on testosterone , due to HIGH androgen levels.

Liver damage is NEAR impossible at my suggested dosage/durations.

Let's get the FACTS straight..

No they don't. That procollagen article you read has never been backed up and it untrue.

The only AAS that benefit your joints are, Test, Deca , Dbol , Drol, or any other bloaters that cause fluid retention in the joints that give a better healing enviroment.

AAS like winstrol , var, masteron , Equipoise , Pimo don't necessarly "harm" your tendons but they dry out all the fluid in them thus giving them a dry acheing feeling. Which comes tendinitus or tears etc. Impact OUCH!

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:53 AM

Winstrol and EQ will NOT typically cause ACNE bro.

BOTH steroids lack a STRONG androgenic component.

And YOU suggested TEST--which is the KING of ACNE...so are you being productive?

**SMAN12b** · 09-09-2006, 11:54 AM

So much controversy from such a little man that has yet to show us any legs!!!

***G-1000*** · 09-09-2006, 11:56 AM

Bro find me one first timmer that will stick ed.

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

No they don't. That procollagen article you read has never been backed up and it untrue.

The only AAS that benefit your joints are, Test, Deca , Dbol , Drol, or any other bloaters that cause fluid retention in the joints that give a better healing enviroment.

AAS like winstrol, var, masteron, Equipoise , Pimo don't necessarly "harm" your tendons but they dry out all the fluid in them thus giving them a dry acheing feeling. Which comes tendinitus or tears etc. Impact OUCH!

Testosterone DECREASES COLLAGEN synthesis BIG-TIME! TEST is BAD for JOINTS/TENDONS.

PRIMO increases COLLAGEN synthesis! It dries out your MSUCLES of ESTROGENIC WATER! This is GOOD. It does NOT negatively effect tendons/joints/ligaments--the OPPOSITE
You are CONFUSING WATER-RETENTION.

Steroids that cause subcantaneous reductions in water do NOT affect tendons and ligaments, and only effect joints minimally. (masteron , primo Anavar , halo).

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-09-2006, 11:58 AM

I like your idea's about non test cycles, but this for a first timer IMO isn't a good choice.

To many compounds.
To many total Mgs.
To much joint pain. lol

Why not just a Primo/Winstrol or Eq/Var suggestion.....Or Primo/Tbol.

**HORSE~** · 09-09-2006, 11:58 AM

Few questions.....

Why are you banned from every board you go to??????

Why do you have to stay on cycle year around to maintane a weight of 210??????

Why have we never seen your leg's???

And why do you type like you have turrets syndrome????

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

Bro find me one first timmer that will stick ed.

Use ORAL winstrol INSTEAD.

Problem solved.

**mileliofthard** · 09-09-2006, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

I like your idea's about non test cycles, but this for a first timer IMO isn't a good choice.

To many compounds.
To many total Mgs.
To much joint pain. lol

Why not just a Primo/Winstrol or Eq/Var suggestion.....Or Primo/Tbol.

Primobolan /EQUIPOISE ..

Jumpstart with WINNY

Finish with VAR...

This is PERFECT

**briancb1** · 09-09-2006, 12:00 PM

Can a mod close this thread already?

**mkrulic** · 09-09-2006, 12:00 PM

Daemonn,
I dont know if your still reading this thread but your workout routine and lenght of time spent in a gym before trying aas are very similar to mine. that being said I recommend you rethink d-bol. the problem I had w/ it was back pumps. my back would get so pumped I had to end my squat and deadlift routines early. gains in dead and squat were the main reason I considered aas. if you choose to go w/ it keep this in mind and if you notice the back pumps drop out the d-bol first.
good luck and keep us posted.

***G-1000*** · 09-09-2006, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by mileliofthard

Primobolan /EQUIPOISE ..

Jumpstart with WINNY

Finish with VAR...

This is PERFECT

You got the last word happy.

***Narkissos*** · 09-09-2006, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

So much controversy from such a little man that has yet to show us any legs!!!

Originally Posted by horse2006

Few questions.....

Why are you banned from every board you go to??????

Why do you have to stay on cycle year around to maintane a weight of 210??????

Why have we never seen your leg's???

And why do you type like you have turrets syndrome????

L...M...A...O!