Mixing HCG (water Based) and Tren (Oil Based) in same syringe...

[needbigguns]

I know water and oil based can be mixed and injected in same syringe and im pritty sure you can mix hcg with tren and shoot but thought id check first...

Also reading the HCG profile it reads HCG is nearly useless without the use of Nolva... why is this ? i understand that HCG elevates Estrogen but wouldnt i be ok to just carry on using my normal AI (arimidex) to combat estrogen or is there some specific reason i NEED to run Nolva

[G-1000]

So say yes and other say no.

The people that say no think that the ba in the gear will effect the hcg. But on the other hand the Bac water that you add to hcg has ba in it.

To bw safe just shoot it on it's own with a slin pin.

[almostgone]

I generally shoot my HCG sub-q so I shoot them separately.

AG

[Superhuman]

I generally shoot my HCG sub-q so I shoot them separately.

AG

same here

[needbigguns]

Also reading the HCG profile it reads HCG is nearly useless without the use of Nolva... why is this ? i understand that HCG elevates Estrogen but wouldnt i be ok to just carry on using my normal AI (arimidex) to combat estrogen or is there some specific reason i NEED to run Nolva

[Superhuman]

I don't use any Anti-Es unless I see/feel signs of gyno, which is not very often. I did notice slight gyno from the HCG last PCT so I got some liquid Nolva and ran it for a week.

[taiboxa]

u can mix em and use it as a level i guess
there is no harm in it it would be fine
but subq so much easier

[Swifto]

Also reading the HCG profile it reads HCG is nearly useless without the use of Nolva... why is this ? i understand that HCG elevates Estrogen but wouldnt i be ok to just carry on using my normal AI (arimidex) to combat estrogen or is there some specific reason i NEED to run Nolva

Ahem...

I wrote this...http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=hcg+nolva

You must not have seen it.

Using HCG whilst "ON" can be very effective at reducing/preventing testicular inhibition.

Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin maintains intratesticular testosterone in normal men with testosterone-induced gonadotropin suppression.

Coviello AD, Matsumoto AM, Bremner WJ, Herbst KL, Amory JK, Anawalt **, Sutton PR, Wright WW, Brown TR, Yan X, Zirkin BR, Jarow JP.Department of Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, Washington 98195, USA. [email protected]

In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testosterone (T), suggesting that high ITT is needed relative to serum T for normal spermatogenesis in men. However, the quantitative relationship between ITT and spermatogenesis is not known. To begin to address this issue experimentally, we determined the dose-response relationship between human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and ITT to ascertain the minimum dose needed to maintain ITT in the normal range. Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate weekly in combination with either s****e placebo or 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day for 3 wk. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and at the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/liter) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/liter). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline, respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 to 72 nmol/liter) in the T enanthate/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Posttreatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. Extensions of this study will allow determination of the ITT concentration threshold required to maintain spermatogenesis in man.


When using HCG in conjuction with AS, use Nolva.

Andrologia 1991 Mar-Apr;23(2):109-14.


Effect of an antiestrogen on the testicular response to acute and chronic administration of hCG in normal and hypogonadotropic hypogonadic men: tamoxifen and testicular response to hCG.

Levalle OA, Suescun MO, Fiszlejder L, Aszpis S, Charreau E, Guitelman A, Calandra R.

Division Endocrinologia, Hospital Carlos Durand, Instituto de Biologia y Medicina Experimental, Buenos Aires, Argentina.

The effect of the antiestrogen tamoxifen (Tx) on the acute and chronic hCG administration was evaluated in patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (HH) and in normal men. An hCG test (5000 IU hCG) was performed before, after two months of hCG administration (2000 IU hCG three times weekly) and after two months of hCG + Tx (2000 IU hCG three times weekly plus 20 mg/day of tamoxifen). Blood samples were obtained before and following 24 and 72 h of every test to determine T, E, 17OHP and SHBG. T increased only in HH with both treatments (X +/- SEM: Basal: 97.9 +/- 19.7; hCG: 237.7 +/- 43.2; hCG +/- Tx: 204.7 +/- 10.7 ng/100 ml). 17OHP rose with hCG alone, but not with hCG + Tx in both groups. E, SHBG and 17OHP/T ratio did not change after treatments. hCG tests: E increased 24 h following hCG administration in every test. The ratio 17OHP/T rose at 24 h in the first and second test but in the third test it did not change. These results support the role of E in the acute hCG-induced Leydig cell desensitization. However, the association of Tx does not improve T serum levels, suggesting that E might not be the unique factor involved in the mechanisms for testicular desensitization.

[Anon Poster]

Some say that mixing water and oil injections can lead to the formation of a sterile abscess.

[hardgainer12]

not hijacking but whats sub-q?

[almostgone]

not hijacking but whats sub-q?

sub-q = subcutaneous.

AG

[needbigguns]

Im using 1500iu's of HCG every 7 days for 3 weeks up untill PCT starts - i am also going to run 1500iu's for the first two weeks into PCT with clomid and clenburterol... Am i ok to use Arimidex now untill a week before PCT - then switch over to Nolvadex for the last week ?

[needbigguns]

Im using 1500iu's of HCG every 7 days for 3 weeks up untill PCT starts - i am also going to run 1500iu's for the first two weeks into PCT with clomid and clenburterol... Am i ok to use Arimidex now untill a week before PCT - then switch over to Nolvadex for the last week ?

BUMP

[FLBMWMech]

Im using 1500iu's of HCG every 7 days for 3 weeks up untill PCT starts - i am also going to run 1500iu's for the first two weeks into PCT with clomid and clenburterol... Am i ok to use Arimidex now untill a week before PCT - then switch over to Nolvadex for the last week ?

Break that up into 500IU every 3 days... some believe that taking more than 500IU in a day can be toxic to the leydig cells in the testicles. Also I can tell you from experience that 500IU a day is highly effective

[Surfstud18]

agreed

[Swifto]

I wouldnt exceed 1000ius/ED.

[needbigguns]

What about the Nolva - is it essencial ? And i know its good to take HCG up untill PCT but is it OK or good to run it for the first 2 weeks actually into PCT with clomid

[Swifto]

What about the Nolva - is it essencial ? And i know its good to take HCG up untill PCT but is it OK or good to run it for the first 2 weeks actually into PCT with clomid

I use HCG/Nolva/Proviron for PCT and have never lost my sex drive and my testosterone levels are the same as prior to cycling, or slightly higher.