Fat Free Milk & Cycle

**LookingtoCut** · 07-02-2002, 04:56 PM

Hi guys, I have a question for you... I am on my 4th week of a t200/EQ/winny cycle........I make all my protien shakes with Fat Free Milk, and whenever I make oatmeal, I make that with Fat Free Milk as well....I am trying to gain 15-20 lbs of solid rock hard quality muscle from this cycle, and avoid the fat gains if possible...Even trying to lower my bf%.... Is all this dairy bad? I drink 2 shakes a day on average, post workout, and before bed, and have 2 bowls of oatmeal/day on average as well....What do you guys think?

Also, I have one more question I NEED help with....I go to the gym @ 4:15 PM every single day...I get home by 6:30......Should I eat REAL food, like pasta, chicken, steak, etc....so I can get carbs and protien in? Or, should I drink a shake, and then eat an hour or two after? My shakes only have 50g protien, 3g carbs...and I know carbs are important post-workout...so what do you think? Should I drink a shake earlier in the day, instead of post-workout, and then eat REAL food after my workout, and have another shake before bed?

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!

**rexflexall** · 07-02-2002, 05:00 PM

post workout small shake 30 -40 g of protein and 50-100g of SIMPLE carbs for the insuln spike. i say 50-100 depending on your weight, then about an hour or so later eat a good meal, whole foods like you mentioned.

**rexflexall** · 07-02-2002, 05:01 PM

oh yea as far as the dairy, people say it makes you hold water, but i personally don't have a problem with it. some days i drink a whole gallon of skim milk in my shakes and maybe a little retion, but i think its worth it

**LookingtoCut** · 07-02-2002, 06:13 PM

Thank you, more opinions please!!!!!

**RobNAUTICA** · 07-02-2002, 07:19 PM

all that milk probly give you tons of extra protein a day, making it much more likely that you would get a gram or 2 per lb/BW

i wouldn't drink it with milk at night though b/c of the carbs, although maybe thats just me because i'm an ecto.

**solid-d** · 07-02-2002, 09:05 PM

rob..
you wouldnt drink a protien drink late at night mixed with milk cause of the extra carbs in the milk? will those extra carbs turn to fat?
my appetite is totally off. i have a very small breakfast. ( a bowl of cereal) then a big lunch . and supper .i hit the gym from 8-10pm . i cant sleep on an empty stomach so i stuff my face b4 i go to bed.. ill mix a protien shake and then ill eat some left over chicken or rice then a yogart. is this bad to eat alot real late in the night? im 5'8 -170lbs

**RobNAUTICA** · 07-02-2002, 10:44 PM

if you're prone to put on fat its bad, if u are a naturally lean person u can

carbs burn first, and since ur gonna sleep that says that things are gonna be extra and stored

most of the people i know don't eat carbs before they goto bed, but they eat a hell of alot of jerky!

Personally i'd like to have protein be the only thing my body had offered to it before it took the night to heal

**Firmbottoms** · 07-03-2002, 02:16 AM

Try soya milk or rice milk...great alternative and after a while you get used to the taste....make sure you check whats in it though as some of the cheap ones are mainly water based with nothing else in them