Need info on this cycle for cutting

**NO LIMITS** · 09-15-2006, 12:19 AM

Hey Vets. I need some info. It has been about a year since I have juiced. I took a new job and it has taken all my time. I have been trying to get my diet back in check. I have been back in the gym for about two months now and wanting to start juicing again. I have Winstrol tabs and Sustanon 250. Is this a good combo to start out with, along with a good diet of course? If this is good, what dosage do you suggest? Let me know if I need to be adding anything. My stats are 5' 9'' and 205 lbs. Wanting to get back down to a toned 190 and then maybe start bulking. Thanks for any info.

**Two4the$$** · 09-15-2006, 01:05 AM

Well, this really depends a lot on your values. Winny tabs are good for a few things ... lowering SHBG, potentially being anti est as it cannot be aromatized, and hardening.

But ... if you want to cut, whereas with bulking people THINK they know how long is safe to be on prior to PCT (and as anecdotal as they are, there are "agreements of time frames) ... cutting on the other hand will take as long as it will take. So... perhaps use something that you can use indefinitely ... such as Anavar , which not only promotes fat loss, will protect the muscle you have from much catabolism, but also is somewhat of an appetite suppressant for some users. Combine Var with whatever other stimulant or thermogenic you want ... calorie restrict ... etc. Then do the winny/sust combo.

No, I'm not a fan of sust ... (of course I haven't even tried it) ... but it's test. And combining Test with a DHT (winny) should be a very good combo. But I think you could throw a couple more compounds in there... like an inj. DHT, as well as a 19-nor.

good luck.

**NO LIMITS** · 09-15-2006, 02:29 AM

Thanks for the info bro. I tried Win inj. before and it hurt like hell. What would you recommend? Sust... really worked well last time I was on it but I was trying to bulk up a little too. Give me a little recommendation on what you think I should add. I have never been this heavy and wouldn't mind it if it was the right kind of heavy. So all I want is to cut no bulking for right now.

**hosam4ever** · 09-15-2006, 05:39 AM

whats ur cycle experience

**01dragonslayer** · 09-15-2006, 06:52 AM

IMO at 250lbs I would suggest running your sust at 500mg/wk for a min. of 10wks and include your winny at the end cycled right up to PCT for 6wks at 50mg/ED. To get the best from your sust it should be injected EOD to take advantage of the short acting prop ester.

**Two4the$$** · 09-15-2006, 03:14 PM

If you want an inj. DHT that doesn't hurt like winny, try Mast Prop. I don't know a better choice.

**Surrender** · 09-15-2006, 03:34 PM

I'll gop the other way and say stick tio training for another 6 months and then hit the juice. Dude you just started training again.

**Two4the$$** · 09-15-2006, 09:24 PM

I don't think that was the confine of the advice solicited Surrender. It's possible your right ... but that's his choice, no?

**NO LIMITS** · 09-15-2006, 10:26 PM

I've done several different cycles. I have done T250 with D-bol, Larabolin with T200, and Deca and Sustanon 250. Most of the cycles was me experimenting to find out what agrees with me. I got the best results from Sust and Anadrol but I stayed on it the longest. What dose of Prop. would you recommend?

**Bigmax** · 09-15-2006, 10:43 PM

The prop best taken ED bro at 100mgs...But to be honest I would train a bit longer and get the entire base back.In the long run you would make better gains.

**Two4the$$** · 09-15-2006, 11:09 PM

Um, sure, 100mg - but if you wanted to go by MEDICAL studies, they say there is a direct, thats 1:1 correlation between dose and effect all the way up to 1.5gm per week - or in daily terms, ~200mg ED. ... and of course, you'd have to calibrate even THAT answer to the ester used, as they may have been using enanthate , in which the ester takes up more molecular space thus making it weaker when comparing 100mg of suspension to 100mg enanthate. I believe it's about 25% in the case of enanthate, and that number lessens as the ester is shortened.

You said, "Larabolin" ... did you mean Durabolin ? Nand Laurate only comes in low density dosing ... so you were either doing a LOT of it often, or not very much to really measure it's efficacy. Can you elaborate?

**Bigmax** · 09-15-2006, 11:17 PM

No i think he meant LAURABOLIN ...50mg...20ml bottle mexican gear.

**NO LIMITS** · 09-16-2006, 12:06 AM

Laurabolin 50mg. It was one of the first ones I ever tried. I thought it was kinda of mild acting but I also didn't know what to expect out of it.

**NO LIMITS** · 09-16-2006, 12:12 AM

I have another question for you. Can you spot injest Winstrol ? Not that I ever want to do inj. Winstrol again but someone asked me the other day and I didn't have an answer.