Tbol vs Dbol (with an AI)

[Iron-man]

What would be better for book ends in a cycle of test-e.
Tbol or use Dbol with an AI. Since I don't want any bloat, I would use the AI anyway, but I have read that Dbol lead to much watrer retention. So in the end, which would yeild better results?

Also, most feel the pains we get from test-e is from the BA. What is does BA stand for in the compound????

[Hellmaskbanned]

What would be better for book ends in a cycle of test-e.
Tbol or use Dbol with an AI. Since I don't want any bloat, I would use the AI anyway, but I have read that Dbol lead to much watrer retention. So in the end, which would yeild better results?

Also, most feel the pains we get from test-e is from the BA. What is does BA stand for in the compound????

Tbol doesn't aromatize...no bloat.
Dbol does but your going to be running an AI so it should help that.


Dbol is a stronger AAS. More size & strength from dbol.

[SMAN12b]

I...parrot....I mean agree with Hellmask

You just have to decide which way you want to go. Tbol is a bit milder on the liver so if I was gonna run "bookends" as you say, I would go for the less toxic on my liver. JMHO

[one8nine]

ba is benzyl alcohol

you could be getting pain from that within the first 12-24 hours, but after that any pain you get is hormone crashing out of solution and crystalizing inside of your muscle

[Iron-man]

..... hormone crashing out of solution and crystalizing inside of your muscle

Ouch..this must be it. (crystallizing inside of your muscle)
The pain doesn't even start for a day & last about 4-5 days. Really makes my quads sore.....for days. Delts are better, but affects my shoulder & chest work outs.

What if I started with one or the other, which would yield better results as the finisher...I'm guessing start with tbol & end with dbol.

[james21]

tbol CAN and WILL cause bloat at certain doses it WILL bloat. However I am a tbol lover I just wish it kicked in as fast as dbol did.

[cfiler]

Dbol for the win. Definately a much stronger compound mg vs mg.

[Iron-man]

OK, based on the dbol having the faster "kick in", then I should probably start the next cycle with dbol & finish with tbol. As mentioned, the tbol takes a while to get going, which I did notice as well.

Question: Dbol & using the AI (L-dex) to limit bloat, what other sides should I realistically expect at what would be considered a normal dose.
Re:Tbol... I got head aches when trying 70mg ed, but was OK when backed down to 60mg ed. BP was fine using Hawthorne Berry...140/68-73

[powerliftmike]

for me it would be dbol without AI. ha. bloat is good.

[Swifto]

I'd keep an AI on hand when using both. Some claim Tbol can aromotase, though VERY slightly. I've also seen user's report gyno and irritation with Tbol's use.

[Iron-man]

I'd keep an AI on hand when using both. Some claim Tbol can aromotase, though VERY slightly. I've also seen user's report gyno and irritation with Tbol's use.

What about sides with Dbol other than bloat?