first cycle with Deca only

**vascoII** · 09-24-2006, 01:30 PM

Hello can you comment my first cycle ?

wk 1-10: deca 300mg/wk
wk 1-15: nolva 10-20mg/day
wk 13-15: pct clomid

pct: day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg
day 12-21 50mg

**lilripped** · 09-24-2006, 01:32 PM

Not a good idea in my opinion. Deca only you could get some bad sides. I.E. limp dick. You should include test.

**lilripped** · 09-24-2006, 01:33 PM

Welcome to the board bud. The guys here will help you out a lot.

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 09-24-2006, 01:45 PM

ehh bad idea!!! doesnt anyone listen to TEST ONLY for a first cycle... and why would u run nolva all the way thru??

**vitor** · 09-24-2006, 01:49 PM

Nolva will do nothing to stop bloating/gyno caused by deca , it can actually make it worse as there will be more estrogen floating around to interact with nadrolones activity at the progesterone recepter..

Unless hairloss is a major concern, deca-only is a shit cycle.

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 09-24-2006, 01:51 PM

well. how much good will a full head of hair do if you cant get your dickie hard!!

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-24-2006, 01:55 PM

Post your STATS

**GetHugeDieTrying** · 09-24-2006, 02:07 PM

deca only? thats justa bout as worse as my friend shooting 12mls of tren in 9 days!!! HAHAHAHA LIMP CACK FEVER!!!!

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 09-24-2006, 02:13 PM

also a 300mg. i doubt ull see a ton of gains.. maybe ur joints will feel pretty good tho!

**SMAN12b** · 09-24-2006, 02:21 PM

Like Hellmask asked, post your stats so we can help

Answer ALL the green questions below .

Deca ONLY isn't the best choice. It can be done, but you are taking great risk with your libido and other side effects that could easily be avoided all together by using some Test.

First cycles should be Test only for the simple fact that test is USUALLY (not always) the base for MOST cycles and you need to learn how YOUR body reacts to each compound seperately so you know what works and what doesn't for YOU

WELCOME TO AR

**ghoul000** · 09-24-2006, 02:28 PM

Test is fun, dont be affraid. Makes you want to hump every half way decent girl walking by.....I love lamp...I love couch.

**Juice Ball** · 09-24-2006, 02:33 PM

Did a decca,dbol cycle in (may 06) ran the test superrrr late

my dick is still recovering

It was like a wet noodle.

**ghoul000** · 09-24-2006, 02:38 PM

**SMAN12b** · 09-24-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by ghoul000

Great contribution there !! You took lots of time to put that reply together didnt' you!!! His whole decision will probably now be based on YOUR post!!

**neverenuff21** · 09-24-2006, 03:30 PM

Deca only not good bro! I made that mistake my first time and I didnt barely get anything from it.

**vascoII** · 09-25-2006, 09:05 AM

Thank you all

Sman12B, here are my stats

Age : 29 yrs old
6 feet
Weight : 176.368 Pound
body fat : don't know but very little.
Diet : +/- 4000k/day, +/- 200g Prot/day
Training : 6 yrs 3 time a week
PCT : 1 years reading different board

As I am not growing anymore I was thinking about juicing and was thinking that Deca will be better than Test for a first cycle because I am looking for lean mass. I have read that test leads to water retention more than Deca. And I was thinking that some stuff could stop the limp deca.
Do a cycle with Test only and ad some latrozol or arimidex will be better ??

Thank you again

**SMAN12b** · 09-25-2006, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by vascoII

Thank you all

Sman12B, here are my stats

Age : 29 yrs old
6 feet
Weight : 176.368 Pound
body fat : don't know but very little.
Diet : +/- 4000k/day, +/- 200g Prot/day
Training : 6 yrs 3 time a week
PCT : 1 years reading different board

As I am not growing anymore I was thinking about juicing and was thinking that Deca will be better than Test for a first cycle because I am looking for lean mass. I have read that test leads to water retention more than Deca. And I was thinking that some stuff could stop the limp deca.
Do a cycle with Test only and ad some latrozol or arimidex will be better ??

Thank you again

Well don't you think it would be easier to take something to stop the water retention instead of having to worry about taking something to make your dick hard??

Do the test only with arimidex and water will NOT be a problem and neither will your little friend.

at your height/weight, you still need more of a base if you are not growing on 4000 calories a day, then you will hvae to up it to maybe 5000 but not all at once adn it needs to be the right calories too not jsut calories.
At 6feet, i would NOT even think about cycling until you reach at least 200 lbs naturally.

If you can not grow naturally by eating right, you will not grow that much by just adding AAS. AAS needs even more dedication to proper diet IF you want to see results

Good luck

**pumpd4lif** · 09-25-2006, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by IIIIIIIIIIII

ehh bad idea!!! doesnt anyone listen to TEST ONLY for a first cycle... and why would u run nolva all the way thru??

it isnt a bad idea to run nolva all the way thru for it is actually commn practice 10 to 20 mg ed is fine to keep estrogen sides down.
IIIIIIIIIIII <------cmon brother just a little more research and u will be able to give sound advice i have faith in u DONT BE A PARROT

**pumpd4lif** · 09-25-2006, 09:21 AM

vascoII bro u will get better gaines from a test only cycle with less sides cause health comes first right .i know u will make the right choice

**vascoII** · 09-26-2006, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

at your height/weight, you still need more of a base if you are not growing on 4000 calories a day, then you will hvae to up it to maybe 5000 but not all at once adn it needs to be the right calories too not jsut calories.
At 6feet, i would NOT even think about cycling until you reach at least 200 lbs naturally.

If you can not grow naturally by eating right, you will not grow that much by just adding AAS. AAS needs even more dedication to proper diet IF you want to see results

Thank you again for all.
SMAN12B, In fact I am doing Thaï Boxing for 14 years and I have a realy good diet based on my needs. I am doing a lot of cardio and workout is just a part of my sport and not like for you THE SPORT.
During my cycle I was thinking about following The Anabolic Diet by Dr DiPasquale and doing less cardio, but I will go back to my origin soon after.
That is why I am looking for a pure lean usefull muscle and not a nice and awesome body like you want.

Thank you again, I will read some other of your post because your answers look good.

**Surrender** · 09-26-2006, 10:56 AM

6" tall and 175 lbs. I guess this is the easy way out for everyone now. It seems that no one has heard that Food is the greatest Anabolic source on planet earth.

Do your drugs and I'll eat and be bigger and stronger then you over time. Food is your answer, not Deca

Post your diet so we can see that your taking in 4000+ cal's. If 4k is not getting the job done, then up it to 4500.

**Dangerdan** · 09-26-2006, 11:57 AM

I ran the exact cycle you are proposing (300mgs of deca a week) about 4 months ago and gained about 25lbs. After PCT I kept around 20lbs of solid muscle. I ran nolva for pct. I did not experience any sides and have had no problem maintaining an erection. Some people respond differently to different compounds.

There are some very experienced guys here to recommend Test as a first cycle. There are a lot more guys who just squawk "test is best" because they have no knowledge of their own and simply repeat what others have posted. Several years ago, lots of people ran deca only as a first cycle and it works great for some people, including myself. Good luck and let us know how your cycle goes regardless of what you decide to take.

Parrot says:

Originally Posted by IIIIIIIIIIII

ehh bad idea!!! doesnt anyone listen to TEST ONLY for a first cycle... and why would u run nolva all the way thru??

**zaneisgreat** · 09-26-2006, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by vascoII

Age : 29 yrs old
6 feet
Weight : 176.368 Pound
body fat : don't know but very little.
Diet : +/- 4000k/day, +/- 200g Prot/day
Training : 6 yrs 3 time a week

As I am not growing anymore I was thinking about juicing

Dont wanna be rude but SOMETHING is not in check if you are only 176lbs @ 6 feet tall with 6 years of training. Im guessing it is your diet. I would just be sure that you have the basics such as nutrition down before you start AAS.

You say that your body fat is pretty low? Thats great but if you want mass, you gotta learn to EAT and maybe sacrafice a little bodyfat. A lot of people are afraid of "getting fat" when all they need to do to put on mostly LEAN mass quickly is add 500-1000 calories to their diet.

Gotta bulk up - you can always cut later.

RA · 09-26-2006, 12:43 PM

Personally I would never run deca with no test. You run a big chance of deca dick and pct would be tougher.

**mark_newcastle** · 09-26-2006, 12:49 PM

Removed

**dblock189** · 09-26-2006, 12:53 PM

I dont understand why people would want to run deca alone....even before doing research the first thing that popped to my head was test or winstrol lol

dblock

**Dangerdan** · 09-26-2006, 02:04 PM

For all you folks advocating against the Deca only cycle, have you actually run a deca only cycle or are you just repeating what you have read on this board? I'm not trying to flame here, I'm just curious since I experienced such good results off my deca only cycle. Perhaps my experience was unusual.

**dblock189** · 09-26-2006, 02:28 PM

To be honest with you i cant speak for myself, but from what i hear on the board and a friend of mine it wasnt a good idea. He did get gains, but he had deca d*ck. I guess it doenst happen to everyone...personally, i dont think its worth the risk....why not just add test if you really want to do deca u know? then again thats just me. I'm glad it worked out for you...with my luck it wouldnt work at the wrong time lol....

dblock

**SMAN12b** · 09-26-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

For all you folks advocating against the Deca only cycle, have you actually run a deca only cycle or are you just repeating what you have read on this board? I'm not trying to flame here, I'm just curious since I experienced such good results off my deca only cycle. Perhaps my experience was unusual.

I have several cycles under my belt, and have used deca several times. The fact that there is enough first hand information from members on here that Deca can cause MAJOR libido problems is more than enough for me NOT to even care to take a chance with using it alone.

Why would I want to risk losing my best friend ( my penis) just so I don't have to add test to a cycle????

I agree there are SOME people that never get libido problems using deca and that is wonderful for them, But why on Earth would you want to take the chance and then have to worry about recovery?????

Its just NOT worth the risk....and that is why it is NOT suggested to do.
Can it be done YES, sure it can... have people done it with no problems YES sure.... but knowing how supressive of a compound it is, why risk it??? JMHO

RA · 09-26-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

For all you folks advocating against the Deca only cycle, have you actually run a deca only cycle or are you just repeating what you have read on this board? I'm not trying to flame here, I'm just curious since I experienced such good results off my deca only cycle. Perhaps my experience was unusual.

Got deca dick from test/deca 500/400 late in cycle. I can only imagine what the deca only would have been....plus pct was harder then other cycles.

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**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-26-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

For all you folks advocating against the Deca only cycle, have you actually run a deca only cycle or are you just repeating what you have read on this board? I'm not trying to flame here, I'm just curious since I experienced such good results off my deca only cycle. Perhaps my experience was unusual.

Exactly. Alot of parroting SQAUWK!

Yes deca can put a hurtin on your hpta and cause limp willy issues. I think deca dick is blown way out of proportion. Same can be said about test post cycle having giving libido issues post cycle. Most likely deca dick won't happen. Just like Test dick won't happen...or tren dick.........or even var dick

BUT it can occur...some people get gyno from steroids , while some don't. Some ppl have hairloss from cycles, while others don't. Either your proned to having a spaggetti penis or your not IMO.
But yeah even if you don't like test a maintanence dose should be used while running deca for best measure.

I wish I could run deca in my cycle.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-26-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

Got deca dick from test/deca 500/400 late in cycle. I can only imagine what the deca only would have been....plus pct was harder then other cycles.

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Oh well aren't you special.
Quit over working the lil fella and he won't go on strike.

RA · 09-26-2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Oh well aren't you special.
Quit over working the lil fella and he won't go on strike.

Really deca is the only compound ive had libido issues with...the rest of the time Im hornier then a three peckered billy goat...even in pct.

**vascoII** · 09-27-2006, 01:59 PM

There is my diet focus on my needs for Muay Thaï

Milk 500ml
Cheeses 80g
Meat or fish 300g
Egg or ham 120g
Bread 450g
Cereals 80g
Feculents 550g
Green vegetables 650g
Fruits 450g
Prod sugars 110g
Butter 40g
Margarine 30g
Oil 30g

**vascoII** · 09-27-2006, 02:01 PM

sorry, I forget:

+ protein shake

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 09-27-2006, 02:04 PM

parrot my ass... common sense to me tells me that deca in a first cycle alone is a NO NO... didnt need to read that anywhere to know it was a bad idea... I looked at genius friends who thought they were the shit when they started to bloat with that watery soft muscle and then called me like.. hey bro, why wont my dick get hard..

that was enough info for me to know its a bad idea, along with the fact that if deca supresses your hpta and u dont have any test in your cycle then basically you'd be test-less..

and that would suck!

so go take that cracker..and shove it up your ass!! *SQUAAAAK*

**Hellmaskbanned** · 09-27-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by IIIIIIIIIIII

parrot my ass... common sense to me tells me that deca in a first cycle alone is a NO NO... didnt need to read that anywhere to know it was a bad idea... I looked at genius friends who thought they were the shit when they started to bloat with that watery soft muscle and then called me like.. hey bro, why wont my dick get hard..

that was enough info for me to know its a bad idea, along with the fact that if deca supresses your hpta and u dont have any test in your cycle then basically you'd be test-less..

and that would suck!

so go take that cracker..and shove it up your ass!! *SQUAAAAK*

Deca bloats less then test....Reason your friends looked soft and had no muscle gains is because there pathetic & didn't diet and train properly. Yeah I know ppl at the gym who have used test and are now not able to get a hard on post cycle.....I guess there testless too as you say... beacause there natural levels are having a hard time recovering as well. Deca isn't the only aas that can shut you down and give you willy problems. Yes nandrolones are harder on the hpta then most but other aas can and have caused it aswell.

And by the way I never said to do deca alone. I was talking about how many on this forum add there 2 cents when they've never even tried the compound or know anything about it...just repeating what someone else said. THINK ON YOUR OWN PPL. And like I always say , even if you don't like test it would be best to add a replacement dose of around 200mgs for best measure while running deca.

**nalbano34** · 10-07-2006, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Deca bloats less then test....Reason your friends looked soft and had no muscle gains is because there pathetic & didn't diet and train properly. Yeah I know ppl at the gym who have used test and are now not able to get a hard on post cycle.....I guess there testless too as you say... beacause there natural levels are having a hard time recovering as well. Deca isn't the only aas that can shut you down and give you willy problems. Yes nandrolones are harder on the hpta then most but other aas can and have caused it aswell.

And by the way I never said to do deca alone. I was talking about how many on this forum add there 2 cents when they've never even tried the compound or know anything about it...just repeating what someone else said. THINK ON YOUR OWN PPL. And like I always say , even if you don't like test it would be best to add a replacement dose of around 200mgs for best measure while running deca.

I agree with you bro...just 'cause something works for me does not mean the same for all and that is common knowledge. I would not suggest either but shit....why not!!! By the way, you didn't really shove a cracker up your ass....DID YOU!

**Chad B** · 10-07-2006, 11:21 PM

Cool subject!

**AnabolicRick** · 10-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

Great contribution there !! You took lots of time to put that reply together didnt' you!!! His whole decision will probably now be based on YOUR post!!

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