Estradiol-62.3 and no gyno? AR PROBLEM?

[ironaddict69]

These were my levels 4 weeks in, usin test cyp at 300 mgs a week. im now in week 6 and feel nothing. is it possible that i have an androgen receptor problem? or could progesterone be workin against any of it? i havent had that tested.

i also dont have any bloat, water retention, or any of the other sides that signals its working. besides the mildest acne increase, but i mean barely.



**Estradiol-62.3!-(7.6-42.6 PG/ML)

**TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL- 1493 (270-1070)
Testosterone free- 56.6 (12.4-40.0)

[ironaddict69]

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[FLBMWMech]

These were my levels 4 weeks in, usin test cyp at 300 mgs a week. im now in week 6 and feel nothing. is it possible that i have an androgen receptor problem? or could progesterone be workin against any of it? i havent had that tested.

i also dont have any bloat, water retention, or any of the other sides that signals its working. besides the mildest acne increase, but i mean barely.



**Estradiol-62.3!-(7.6-42.6 PG/ML)

**TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL- 1493 (270-1070)
Testosterone free- 56.6 (12.4-40.0)

Ironaddict-

Your test levels are high for someone who isnt using juice-- but not nearly high enough to see significant gains at 4 weeks. Hell, even if you used a respectible dose like 600mg weekly (for a first timer) you wouldnt see much until week 6 with a long estered Test like cypionate.
Your estradiol levels are too high-- and even though you may not be prone to gyno... you need to get some AI's like letrozole or Aromasin to get the #'s down...

[ironaddict69]

yeah, getting aromasin tomorrow cuz i dont like arimidex. so i guess its normal to not feel it at 6 weeks!? the dr really shuda told me that i had expectations of feeling better immediately at first. then realized the world is fdar from perfect. im thinking about switching to prop? or shud i just stay on cyp?

[FLBMWMech]

yeah, getting aromasin tomorrow cuz i dont like arimidex. so i guess its normal to not feel it at 6 weeks!? the dr really shuda told me that i had expectations of feeling better immediately at first. then realized the world is fdar from perfect. im thinking about switching to prop? or shud i just stay on cyp?

What are you goals? Is this hormone replacement therapy for someone who is middleaged and testosterone deficient?? or are you looking to add size, strength, speed, etc?

[ironaddict69]

literally, both of what you just asked, its high dose HRT cuz i didnt respond to lower numbers. however im still not responding it seems, even tho my levels were well above the top range.and my free test was 56, 16 over the top range. its 3.75% free, which is good! i jsut cant figure out why im still itred, no libido, feel shitty etc JUST LIKE BEFORE I STARTED THE FIRST SHOT! its weird you know?

[Pooks]

take those estrogen numbers down, and hopefully u'll feel better than.

[stupidhippo]

yeah.. could be a whole bunch of other things too... did u get ur natty test checked and as it low?

[ironaddict69]

yes i did, i was hypogonadal thats why im doin this. i was reading a thread about non responders and this like 3A4 (abbreviated) enzyme and how it flushes stuff from ur body faster than it can use it. im gunna start using grapefruit juice.

[FLBMWMech]

yes i did, i was hypogonadal thats why im doin this. i was reading a thread about non responders and this like 3A4 (abbreviated) enzyme and how it flushes stuff from ur body faster than it can use it. im gunna start using grapefruit juice.

You're getting way ahead of yourself. Non-responders are WAY rare... I've seen Testosterone put muscles on a tomato. Start using an AI like aromasin-- get the estrogen down... then make a diet log and see what you're really eating... then consider HCG for your hypogonadal state... I find when Im at the point in my cycles that my balls start shrinking, so does my sex drive. A bottle of HCG at 500IU every other day (because you're already hypogonadal) and then every 3-4 days once you get alittle size back may be infact what you need.

Also... give it alittle more time... Cyp is a long estered test and therefore takes longer to act.

[ironaddict69]

thanks man seriously. yeah iu have a problem with literally getting WAY to ahead of myself. gunna inject some hcg right now lol. 500 iu's-will do. im adding 100 mg prop EOD till the cyp doubles with it...if that makes sense. and yeah i took aromasin today. the tablets are awkeard and cant cut evenly, so is EOD ok for them too?

tomatos dont have muscles tho howd u do that?
so...i might be one of those....RARE guys? although i did an oral PH cycle when i was a lil younger like 19, and i got size strength and madness lol

[ironaddict69]

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