First cycle Help Please

[Growingpains]

So I have been planning a cycle for a couple weeks now and really appreciate your responses. I had a past thread on what I was pondering but after doing research and hearing your feedback and taking a look at my goals I have been considering the possibility of these two cycles.
If you are interested this is the last thread.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=258802


Option A

1-4 Anavar 80-100(?) mgs/day - (thought about dbol but don't want sides..etc..)
1-12 Test E 500 mgs/week

Option B

1-12 Test E 500mgs/week
1-12 EQ 400mgs/week


Setting PCT asise, which will be the same by Anthony Roberts. What do you think is better? I think OPTION A is better. Simple is safe. Thanks in advance!

[DHew]

Why not run one compound to start out with? Run test enth for 12 weeks, 250mgs mon, 250 mgs thurs? If you really want, jump start it with prop (I would say 50mgs/day, instead of 100mgs EOD. It has a shorter halflife, and EOD shots would give you more stable blood levels). And also, end your cycle with anavar. It hardens you up a lot. Start the var at ~50mgs/day. It wont shut your HPTA down like test will, so come off with it.

For PCT just do Nolva. Clomid makes you feel like a bitch. Nolva @ 20mgs/day for 30days 2 weeks after your last test enth shot.

Dont get too many compounds in your first cycle though. build on it.

[briansauras]

So I have been planning a cycle for a couple weeks now and really appreciate your responses. I had a past thread on what I was pondering but after doing research and hearing your feedback and taking a look at my goals I have been considering the possibility of these two cycles.
If you are interested this is the last thread.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=258802


Option A

1-4 Anavar 80-100(?) mgs/day - (thought about dbol but don't want sides..etc..)
1-12 Test E 500 mgs/week

Option B

1-12 Test E 500mgs/week
1-12 EQ 400mgs/week


Setting PCT asise, which will be the same by Anthony Roberts. What do you think is better? I think OPTION A is better. Simple is safe. Thanks in advance!

wk1-12 enth @ 500mg. See how you respond to test then next cycle throw in EQ/var

Anavar needs to ran at a min of 6wks. preferably 8-10. 80-100mg is pretty high for someone who has ran var.

[briansauras]

Why not run one compound to start out with? Run test enth for 12 weeks, 250mgs mon, 250 mgs thurs? If you really want, jump start it with prop (I would say 50mgs/day, instead of 100mgs EOD. It has a shorter halflife, and EOD shots would give you more stable blood levels). And also, end your cycle with anavar. It hardens you up a lot. Start the var at ~50mgs/day. It wont shut your HPTA down like test will, so come off with it.

For PCT just do Nolva. Clomid makes you feel like a bitch. Nolva @ 20mgs/day for 30days 2 weeks after your last test enth shot.

Dont get too many compounds in your first cycle though. build on it.

IMO var isnt something I would come off with. Prop or winny would be a much better choice.

30days of nolva @ 20mg doesnt cut it for pct. Clomid effects everyone differently. I dont feel like a bitch on it and even if i did i would put up with it for a month for my recovery.

I run clomid @ 100mg for 30days and then run 20mg nolva until i feel recovered. usually 60-90days.

[juice_305]

wk1-12 enth @ 500mg. See how you respond to test then next cycle throw in EQ/var

Anavar needs to ran at a min of 6wks. preferably 8-10. 80-100mg is pretty high for someone who has ran var.

agreed. test only cycle for first cycle.
at least you have test in your first cycle better then some new people to this site
let all do a oral only cycle.......J/k

[DHew]

IMO var isnt something I would come off with. Prop or winny would be a much better choice.

30days of nolva @ 20mg doesnt cut it for pct. Clomid effects everyone differently. I dont feel like a bitch on it and even if i did i would put up with it for a month for my recovery.

I run clomid @ 100mg for 30days and then run 20mg nolva until i feel recovered. usually 60-90days.

I would start with prop, and end with var, thats just me though...

and as for nolva, I think its fine for PCT on milder cycles. I would say clomid for more advanced cycles.

[briansauras]

I would start with prop, and end with var, thats just me though...

and as for nolva, I think its fine for PCT on milder cycles. I would say clomid for more advanced cycles.

var needs to run 6+wks. a much better choice for an oral to end with would be winny.

wow you really have no concept of pct.

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

Its A First Cycle!!! No Freaking Anavar!!!!



Test Only...

[Hellmaskbanned]

I don't really see Var causing any problems if ran with it.... It's not like it's tren or deca, which can add to different sides.

[T3/T4 GSR]

I agree...I even tell people if they really want an oral kick start to a first cycle you can even add dbol since if you start getting sides you can stop taking it and it is out of you fast.

[cfiler]

Personally I'd stick with just test, but if you can offord and have access to Var, then why not throw in a low dose. It's pretty mild, so it shouldn't be too hard to deal with.

[Growingpains]

Its A First Cycle!!! No Freaking Anavar!!!!



Test Only...

Anavar is supposedly way more mild than Dbol. It doesn't shut you down, the sides aren't as drastic and it really is the least hepatoxic...Why no anavar? I am not saying you are wrong I am just wondering if everyone who does Dbol to kickstart is.

Bros,

I really appreciate the responses!

[Growingpains]

PS. Don't worry about PCT everyone. I got that covered. Thanks

[Growingpains]

And lastly, I have read that a standard dose of Anavar is 100mgs/day....and that anything less would not be worth it. Am I wrong?

[Growingpains]

Bump
Thanks

[Hellmaskbanned]

And lastly, I have read that a standard dose of Anavar is 100mgs/day....and that anything less would not be worth it. Am I wrong?

whats ur stats? Well if i missed them, if your big already you need higher dosages...more cycles the higher the doses you need.

THis is your first cycle I think you could see vars effects at 60mgs/day. If not seeing anything from 60 after 3 weeks I would bump up to 80mgs. No need to go any higher for your first cycle.

Why not winstrol? I would much rather run winny than var. better strength gains, more lbm, and alot cheaper...

[Growingpains]

whats ur stats? Well if i missed them, if your big already you need higher dosages...more cycles the higher the doses you need.

THis is your first cycle I think you could see vars effects at 60mgs/day. If not seeing anything from 60 after 3 weeks I would bump up to 80mgs. No need to go any higher for your first cycle.

Why not winstrol? I would much rather run winny than var. better strength gains, more lbm, and alot cheaper...

Thanks Hellmask, I'm 6 feet 195 and this will be my first cycle so I'll probably stick to 60-80. i'll look into winstrol tabs too. Thanks bro

[briansauras]

Thanks Hellmask, I'm 6 feet 195 and this will be my first cycle so I'll probably stick to 60-80. i'll look into winstrol tabs too. Thanks bro

I would personally run 5-6wks of winstrol. Start off at 50mg see how you respond then maybe raise the dose to 75mg.

[Growingpains]

why would you run winny over the var? I would think that var would help kickstart the test and would keep the bloat and sides to a minimum. I want to get a much LBM from this as possible. Wouldn't the winny just lean me out?????

[briansauras]

why would you run winny over the var? I would think that var would help kickstart the test and would keep the bloat and sides to a minimum. I want to get a much LBM from this as possible. Wouldn't the winny just lean me out?????

Winny is much better for LBM then var. If ran at the right dose. Var is prolly one of the mildest aas out there. I honestly dont think it would be a good kick start considering you need to use it for 8-10wks for best outcome.

Not to mention its 2x more expensive. I just got done running 100mg win ED and I love it.