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    Post your AAS knowledge - Referance notes

    I thought it would be a good/interesting idea for everyone to post notes or anything they find particularly interesting regarding AAS; Uncommon knowledge or helpful posts etc.

    Feel free to discuss with each other, any note discussed herein you wish.

    I'll start and add to it as I remember and learn.


    *DHT derivatives (Masteron aka drostanolone / Winstrol aka stanozolol to name a couple) reduce *SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), which in turn, can help gains while "on". It is not recomended to prolong lowered SHBG as it can negatively effect cholesterol.
    *SHBG-SHBG is produced by the liver cells and released into the bloodstream. Other sites that produce SHBG are the brain, uterus, and placenta. In addition SHBG is produced by the testis; testis-produced SHBG is also called androgen-binding protein. The gene for SHBG is located on chromosome 17.Sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) is a glycoprotein that binds to sex hormones, specifically testosterone and estradiol. Other steroid hormones such as progesterone, cortisol, and other corticosteroids are bound by transcortin


    *Androgens that bind tightly to the AR(*androgen receptor) promote fat loss via binding to the androgen receptor located within fat cells, promoting lipolysis (Fat loss).
    *Androgen Receptor- is an intracellular steroid receptor that specifically binds testosterone and dihydrotestosterone.


    *CYP3A4 is an enzyme involved in the metabolism of roughly 60% of all drugs, sterouid hromones included.
    *Grapefruit juice has been proven to inhibit the effects of this enzyme, increasing the effect of all orally administered drugs, including steroids.


    Lets see what everyone else adds....

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    Hmm what else.....

    *Dht derivatives also can be used as AIs (Aromatase inhibitor) during a cycle by inhibiting estrogenic binding.

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    * There is no evidence (To my knowledge) that supports the idea that steroids promote collagen synthesis or things of this nature besides possibly increasing IGF-1 secretion. Anabolics that tightly bind to the AR are thought to do this moreso than others that do not (excluding those that exhibit their actions by an unknown mechanism). This would imply that tren could possibly have a positive effect on your joints (IMO).
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    how about NO DECA without Test??

    ......sorry I couldnt' resist.......lololol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMAN12B
    how about NO DECA without Test??

    ......sorry I couldnt' resist.......lololol

    You just ruined the thread.



    On that note:

    *it is not technically necessary to administer an equal or higher dose of testosterone during a cycle combined with other *HPTA inhibiting steroids, contrary to popular belief. The idea is somewhat rediculous in my opinion, considering that exogenous testosterone isn't even effected by the administration of other compounds. Only endogenous test is effected, therefore a "replacement" dose, (100mg a week would probably be mroe than enough) so to speak, would suffice, to avoid sexual dysfunction during a cycle.
    *HPTA-hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis is a way of referring to the combined effects of the hypothalamus, pituitary gland, and gonads as if these individual endocrine glands were a single entity.

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    I'm Sorry

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    *anabolics are more "effective" in a calorie restricted environment.

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    [QUOTE=Skullsmasher]You just ruined the thread.



    On that note:

    *it is not technically necessary to administer an equal or higher dose of testosterone during a cycle combined with other *HPTA inhibiting steroids, contrary to popular belief. The idea is somewhat rediculous in my opinion, considering that exogenous testosterone isn't even effected by the administration of other compounds. Only endogenous test is effected, therefore a "replacement" dose, (100mg a week would probably be mroe than enough) so to speak, would suffice, to avoid sexual dysfunction during a cycle.
    *HPTA-hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis is a way of referring to the combined effects of the hypothalamus, pituitary gland, and gonads as if these individual endocrine glands were a single entity.[/
    QUOTE]



    You can say that again!

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    QUOTE=taiboxa:

    test is one of the most lame/weakest compounds out there and i only take as much as i need to maintain normal test levels [/QUOTE]

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    ^^^^

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    come on baj, just add anything lol.

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    * Trenbolone should be stacked with a DHT derivative during a cutting phase for maximum fat loss effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BajanBastard
    * Trenbolone should be stacked with a DHT derivative during a cutting phase for maximum fat loss effect.
    man u stole my info
    anyways im gettting redy to post a COMICAL yet informative thread on aas in here

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    man u stole my info
    anyways im gettting redy to post a COMICAL yet informative thread on aas in here

    what, my thread aint good enough?

    *Dbol is thought to exhibit its effects at least partially due to GH secretion. (According to a study done on rats with their pituitary removed. The effects of the dbol was then noticeably minimized. )

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    Androgenic hormones such as Testosterone, Growth Hormone, Progesterone, and DHEA stimulate healing of bone and connective tissue. Supplements such as glucosamine, chondroitin, and MSM are helpful to provide the “building blocks” required for successful joint and ligament repair. Vitamin C, zinc, selenium, iron, and manganese support a strong tissue structure. The joints also require adequate hydration to function properly. Most people should drink 2-4 liters of water a day, unless there is a medical reason not to.
    This information is what I have found to be the best information on healing connective tissue. Here is most of my "research" That I've been doing. Most of it is pretty much common sense, but I'm making an effort to do most of the above in my program in order to help my injurys.

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    Thanks hellmask.

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    Here's one that'll kill ya:

    Steroids can have different binding strengths to the AR, yet can bind more or less strongly within the AR to specific areas, dispite their differing AR binding ability.

    Winstrol (very low binding affinity) binds more tightly to one area inside the androgen receptor than Methyltrienolone (which is the strongest androgen binder known to man). So there is "sub binding" to different areas within the actual AR...and AR-binding rates have nothing to do with it at that level.

    Wrap your head around that shit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
    Here's one that'll kill ya:

    Steroids can have different binding strengths to the AR, yet can bind more or less strongly within the AR to specific areas, dispite their differing AR binding ability.

    Winstrol (very low binding affinity) binds more tightly to one area inside the androgen receptor than Methyltrienolone (which is the strongest androgen binder known to man). So there is "sub binding" to different areas within the actual AR...and AR-binding rates have nothing to do with it at that level.

    Wrap your head around that shit...

    How many parts is there for steroids to bind to in the AR?

    You should make a list of each steroid and what part of the AR it binds the most to
    Last edited by guest589745; 09-28-2006 at 09:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa
    man u stole my info
    anyways im gettting redy to post a COMICAL yet informative thread on aas in here

    Comical... Yes

    Informative.... well...errr...uhh.. ur big and U box... n/m


    J/K Man.. you do seem to know a hell of alot about Tren

    and chinese food

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
    what, my thread aint good enough?

    *Dbol is thought to exhibit its effects at least partially due to GH secretion. (According to a study done on rats with their pituitary removed. The effects of the dbol was then noticeably minimized. )

    maybe thats why I seem to have a roid gut after my last cycle which included Dbol for 6 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLBMWMech
    Comical... Yes

    Informative.... well...errr...uhh.. ur big and U box... n/m


    J/K Man.. you do seem to know a hell of alot about Tren

    and chinese food
    oh i love chinese food!

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    In regards to B6 suplementation:

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
    Basically, a dose high enough to fight prolactin or progesterone is going to be high enough to inhibit androgen gene-transcription. I'd say you should keep it no higher than 50mgs, at most.



    Vitamin b6 isn't a great idea to include on a cycle. Elevated levels of b6 will inhibit androgen gene transcription levels by 30-45%. Gene Transcription is how steroids exert their effects. Therefore, if you elevate your b6 too high, you could be getting around a third less of the effects from the steroids you're taking.

    Vitamin B6 modulates transcriptional activation by multiple members of the steroid hormone receptor superfamily.

    Allgood VE,
    Cidlowski JA.
    Department of Physiology, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill 27599-7545.
    Recent studies have shown that vitamin B6 modulates transcriptional activation by the human glucocorticoid receptor in HeLa S3 cells. We have now examined the possibility that vitamin B6 might similarly influence transcriptional activation by the glucocorticoid receptor in other cell types, as well as gene expression mediated by other members of the steroid hormone receptor superfamily. We show that elevated vitamin B6 concentrations suppress by 40-65% the level of transcription mediated through the endogenous murine L cell glucocorticoid receptor, as well as the human receptor transfected into E8.2 and T47D cells. In contrast, glucocorticoid receptor-mediated transcription was enhanced 60-110% in mild vitamin deficiency. The level of hormone-independent constitutive gene expression was not affected by these same alterations in vitamin B6 concentration. These studies indicated that the transcriptional modulatory effects of the vitamin were neither restricted to specific cell types nor limited to the human form of the glucocorticoid receptor. We next determined if hormone-induced transcription by several other steroid receptors (androgen, progesterone, and estrogen receptors) was analogously affected by alterations in vitamin B6 concentration. Analysis of gene expression mediated through the mouse mammary tumor virus promoter revealed that transcriptional activation of both the androgen and progesterone receptors was reduced by 35-40% under conditions of elevated vitamin B6 and enhanced by 60-90% in deficiency, again under conditions where constitutive expression was unaffected. Using a different promoter, the estrogen-regulated vitellogenin promoter, we found that transcriptional activation of the estrogen receptor was similarly affected. Estrogen-induced gene expression was reduced by 30% under conditions of elevated intracellular vitamin B6 and enhanced by 85% in vitamin deficiency. Thus, vitamin B6 modulates transcriptional activation by multiple classes of steroid hormone receptors. The similarities in vitamin B6 effects on transcription mediated through different promoters, the mouse mammary tumor virus and vitellogenin promoters, suggest that this vitamin may modulate the expression of a diverse array of hormonally responsive genes. These observations together support the hypothesis that vitamin B6 represents a physiological modulator of steroid hormone action.
    PMID: 1310983 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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    just Dbol cycles arnt gona do $hit

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    Restricted??????

    Quote Originally Posted by Skullsmasher
    *anabolics are more "effective" in a calorie restricted environment.
    ".....Restricted"....Pls explain
    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron-man
    ".....Restricted"....Pls explain
    Thx
    Hookers explanation:

    "When you're in a hypocaloric state, your body is more sensitive to
    many hormones...Anabolics seem to be part of that. That's why we
    see a lowering of androgen concentrations on a low calorie diet,
    but an increased sensitivity. Your body lowers androgens while
    stimulating the CNS, as part of it's survival mechanism. But when
    you are hypocaloric and then add in exogenous androgens, your body
    just soaks them up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
    Here's one that'll kill ya:

    Steroids can have different binding strengths to the AR, yet can bind more or less strongly within the AR to specific areas, dispite their differing AR binding ability.

    Winstrol (very low binding affinity) binds more tightly to one area inside the androgen receptor than Methyltrienolone (which is the strongest androgen binder known to man). So there is "sub binding" to different areas within the actual AR...and AR-binding rates have nothing to do with it at that level.

    Wrap your head around that shit...

    had to read that one again.

    ^^^^^

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