Cycle idea

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 05:21 PM

Another idea I was thinking of. Won't be a for a while but I wanted to discuss it with you guys.

Goals: To build muscle and lose some fat. Yes, at the same time.

Compounds:
0.Weeks -4-0: 40-60mcg IGF-1 LR3 PWO
1.Weeks 1-10: 100mg Masteron ED
2.Weeks 1-8: 100mg Tren A ED (Or as much as I can handle)
3.Weeks 1-14: 100mg Test a week (Test sucks)
4.Weeks 8-12: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100mg ED (To keep a 19nor in the mix but is it worth it?)
5.Weeks 1-12: (Need help with small dose for cardiovascular health) Furazabol ED

Ancilleries:
1.Weeks 1-16: Adex .5mg ED with letro on hand
2.Caber (Need help with dose)
3.Weeks 11-14 50mg Proviron ED (to keep some DHT in with the test/NPP but not too much)
4.Weeks ?-? HCG (Need advise on this)

PCT:
1.Weeks 17-20+: 20mg Nolvadex ED
2.Weeks 17-20+: Standard Clomid therapy

I know it may look like a lot but taking doses/length into consideration I don't think it's too bad.

Any advise?

**Surrender** · 09-29-2006, 05:49 PM

Cool ten weeks of pinning yourself ED.....That ought to be fun

one thing is I don't see the need for the test if your using mast.

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

Cool ten weeks of pinning yourself ED.....That ought to be fun.

I'll be OK

Originally Posted by Surrender

one thing is I don't see the need for the test if your using mast.

Elaborate please.

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

one thing is I don't see the need for the test if your using mast.

Did you not see that I had tren in there as well?

**cantspeak** · 09-29-2006, 06:56 PM

your 19nor is tren

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by cantspeak

your 19nor is tren

Yes but, it ends at week 8.

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 07:13 PM

Anyone think finasteride would be good ?

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 07:48 PM

^^^^

**taiboxa** · 09-29-2006, 07:52 PM

do i have to comment?

and its
FURAZABOL!

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

do i have to comment?

and its
FURAZABOL!

Oh ok, my bad, its new to me.

Would you change anything besides multiplying the doses by 73 ?

**taiboxa** · 09-29-2006, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Another idea I was thinking of. Won't be a for a while but I wanted to discuss it with you guys.

Goals: To build muscle and lose some fat. Yes, at the same time.

Compounds:
0.Weeks -4-0: 40-60mcg IGF-1 LR3 PWO RUN IT 4on4off THROUGH OUT its VERY SYNERGISTIC w/ AAS
1.Weeks 1-10: 100mg Masteron ED sounds good
2.Weeks 1-8: 100mg Tren A ED (Or as much as I can handle) 10wks would be more ideal IMO
3.Weeks 1-14: 100mg Test a week (Test sucks) NEAT
4.Weeks 8-12: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100mg ED (To keep a 19nor in the mix but is it worth it?) it KAN be worth it but IMO run DECA 200mg/wk ontop of the tren its a low dose but i find it adds a nice kick by giving joints a relief allowing greater intensity in the gym
5.Weeks 1-12: (Need help with small dose for cardiovascular health) Furozobol ED I DONT KNOW ABOUT FURAZABOL but HALO at around 20mg ED gives AWSOME AWSOME cardio increase for me! its > than gh as far as i know
Ancilleries:
1.Weeks 1-16: Adex .5mg ED with letro on hand
2.Caber (Need help with dose) dont waste ur time its great stuff but u shuddnt need it unless u have had past issues w/ progest
3.Weeks 11-14 50mg Proviron ED (to keep some DHT in with the test/NPP but not too much)
4.Weeks ?-? HCG (Need advise on this) never does krap for me except make me a .5 Minute man in bed KILLS any sexual performance.
PCT:
1.Weeks 17-20+: 20mg Nolvadex ED
2.Weeks 17-20+: Standard Clomid therapy replace w/ aromasin
I know it may look like a lot but taking doses/length into consideration I don't think it's too bad.

Any advise?

in bold and i like it

**guest589745** · 09-29-2006, 08:33 PM

Thanks tai. I was thinking of running the tren 10 weeks.

Ill have to think abotu running the deca with the tren.

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 02:28 PM

^^^^^

**taiboxa** · 09-30-2006, 04:51 PM

cruise

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

cruise

Be more specific.....

**anaBROLIC** · 09-30-2006, 04:56 PM

id say you should go with the tren til week 10 and end the test in week 12 with the npp.

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by anaBROLIC

i dont know if you would want to end tren, test and masteron in the same week. you might want to end the tren a week or 2 early. it might be better on you for pct.

Where are you getting this from? I am ending the test 2 weeks after the tren if I run it 10 weeks. I think ya mis read it

no prob though. I agree with ya .

**anaBROLIC** · 09-30-2006, 04:59 PM

lol your quick. as soon as i typed that i noticed i misread it and edited it..

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by anaBROLIC

id say you should go with the tren til week 10 and end the test in week 12 with the npp.

I gotcha now. So why shoudl I end the NPP with the test? I have ended deca 1 week before ending my test and it sucked BIG TIME, really learned from that though. I dont think I will do that again.

**Surrender** · 09-30-2006, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Did you not see that I had tren in there as well?

Tren and test go together so yes i saw it. in re: to mast and test both do just about the same job. I mean if test sucks to you and you have the Mast in there, why bother with 100 mgs of test. I just don't see what effect the test is going to do for you. Personally I say nothing.

People who have gyno problems can usually switch test for masterone and prevent the gyno.

**anaBROLIC** · 09-30-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

I gotcha now. So why shoudl I end the NPP with the test? I have ended deca 1 week before ending my test and it sucked BIG TIME, really learned from that though. I dont think I will do that again.

being that npp is a shorter ester you may be able to recover quicker then what you have experienced with deca . but running the test a week longer isnt a bad idea to be safe.

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

Tren and test go together so yes i saw it. in re: to mast and test both do just about the same job. I mean if test sucks to you and you have the Mast in there, why bother with 100 mgs of test. I just don't see what effect the test is going to do for you. Personally I say nothing.

People who have gyno problems can usually switch test for masterone and prevent the gyno.

Test and amst are two completely different compounds so they actually, are very different and do not "Do the same job".

Why bother? Because I would like to avoid sexual dysfunction. Its a replacement dose.

DHT derivatives reduce estrogen yes, but I am still not going to use all of these compounds without a small dose of test.

**anaBROLIC** · 09-30-2006, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

Tren and test go together so yes i saw it. in re: to mast and test both do just about the same job. I mean if test sucks to you and you have the Mast in there, why bother with 100 mgs of test. I just don't see what effect the test is going to do for you. Personally I say nothing.

People who have gyno problems can usually switch test for masterone and prevent the gyno.

yes it has been said that masteron works well as an anti estrogen but it is no way a replacement for testosterone as it will shut you down like any other.

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by anaBROLIC

being that npp is a shorter ester you may be able to recover quicker then what you have experienced with deca. but running the test a week longer isnt a bad idea to be safe.

Ah yes, maybe.

**Surrender** · 09-30-2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by anaBROLIC

yes it has been said that masteron works well as an anti estrogen but it is no way a replacement for testosterone as it will shut you down like any other.

agree. Really I don't so any reason to stack masteron with anything besides EQ or deca . JMO.....Also to the poster. I have never heard of masteron shutting anyone down and will 100 mgs of test prevent......?

I agree we are in a different world. I have cycled off and on for over 25 yrs with no problems. Blood test are good, cholestrol does go up some and my blood pressure great. Not bad for a guy 55 yrs old with as many cycles under his belt.

You guys are young and are going to run whatever you choose to. I'll run cycles that I know are safe and add as nuch mass as anyone here.

I surrender to the young and crazy

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

I don't so any reason to stack masteron with anything besides EQ or deca.

Can you explain why exactly? Thanks.

**Surrender** · 09-30-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Another idea I was thinking of. Won't be a for a while but I wanted to discuss it with you guys.

Goals: To build muscle and lose some fat. Yes, at the same time.

Compounds:
0.Weeks -4-0: 40-60mcg IGF-1 LR3 PWO
1.Weeks 1-10: 100mg Masteron ED
2.Weeks 1-8: 100mg Tren A ED (Or as much as I can handle)
3.Weeks 1-14: 100mg Test a week (Test sucks)
4.Weeks 8-12: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 100mg ED (To keep a 19nor in the mix but is it worth it?)
5.Weeks 1-12: (Need help with small dose for cardiovascular health) Furazabol ED

Ancilleries:
1.Weeks 1-16: Adex .5mg ED with letro on hand
2.Caber (Need help with dose)
3.Weeks 11-14 50mg Proviron ED (to keep some DHT in with the test/NPP but not too much)
4.Weeks ?-? HCG (Need advise on this)

PCT:
1.Weeks 17-20+: 20mg Nolvadex ED
2.Weeks 17-20+: Standard Clomid therapy

I know it may look like a lot but taking doses/length into consideration I don't think it's too bad.

Any advise?

here's another idea for you my friend. If your going to do a little test anyways, why not just add a little prop everyday to your syringe and then start PCT 4 days after your last injection instead of waiting 3 weeks.

I guess I'm lucky. Never had gyno, never used PCT and never been shut down. Actually I tried PCT last year twice and din't do anymore for me then just coming off the gear slowly. Ramping down

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 05:27 PM

I have a lot of cypionate left over so I am going to use it up. I wouldve used prop otherwise.

**taiboxa** · 09-30-2006, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

agree. Really I don't so any reason to stack masteron with anything besides EQ or deca. JMO.....Also to the poster. I have never heard of masteron shutting anyone down and will 100 mgs of test prevent......?

wtf u dont see any reason?
TREN AND MASTERON ARE MOST AWSMOE COMBO EVER? but there is no reason to stack 2 extremly synergistic compounds toghet?
i mean a DHT and NOR combo? u dont see any rason
where as eq is krap? and pointless?

i have been reading alot of ur posts and the information you state is bogus

**taiboxa** · 09-30-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

here's another idea for you my friend. If your going to do a little test anyways, why not just add a little prop everyday to your syringe and then start PCT 4 days after your last injection instead of waiting 3 weeks.

I guess I'm lucky. Never had gyno, never used PCT and never been shut down. Actually I tried PCT last year twice and din't do anymore for me then just coming off the gear slowly. Ramping down

when it comes to ed injects and VOLUME then u want to just take 1 shot of low test a week
believe me when ur doing 3cc+ ed .. u dont want .25ml of prop in there too

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 06:33 PM

Tai, what did you mean by "Cruise" ? Til the cycle or after it or what?

**taiboxa** · 09-30-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Tai, what did you mean by "Cruise" ? Til the cycle or after it or what?

alot of people go against it if ur young but IMO if ur going to cycle for long term then cruising is much easier on the system than the crazy hormonal rollercoaster u all put ur selves through

look at it like this

for 4-6 weeks ur trying to get back to normal then u will prolly cycle again in 6 weeks so in 12 weeks u cycle again LOL u didnt do shit for your system other than put it through hell and back and induce a catabolic state w/ low test

i would say 125mg/testE wk is most ideal for crusing i like to run a hevy cycle for 6weeks then cruise for 6

but if u look at a teen boy he produce 10-15mg Test ED

125mg/testE = about 70-80mg Test/wk since the ester takes up 40% or so
thus ur only utilizing as much test as a teen and thats not bad for ya but it keeps ya from loosing pointless muscle and going through pct rollercaoster

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 06:44 PM

Hard choice.

**taiboxa** · 09-30-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Hard choice.

here let me HELP YOU

how many cycles to run a year
how long are they

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 06:49 PM

This will be my third this year which will go into next year when it ends.

1 - 12 week
2 - 9 week
3 - 14 or so week (Future)

**anaBROLIC** · 09-30-2006, 06:52 PM

and your about to start another 12-14 weeker??? thats alot in a year. how much time are you taking off in between??

**anaBROLIC** · 09-30-2006, 06:54 PM

lol again i read wrong.. i thought this one gonna be 4th this year.. i was gonna say slow down...lol

**guest589745** · 09-30-2006, 06:59 PM

yea I read wrote it, I mis typed a couple things.

**Surrender** · 09-30-2006, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

wtf u dont see any reason?
TREN AND MASTERON ARE MOST AWSMOE COMBO EVER? but there is no reason to stack 2 extremly synergistic compounds toghet?
i mean a DHT and NOR combo? u dont see any rason
where as eq is krap? and pointless?

i have been reading alot of ur posts and the information you state is bogus

Being retired all I have to do everyday is what you can't....that is train, cardio, proper nutrition and research. I spend more then 8 hrs a day doing research on anabolic steroids .

Tren is not cracked up to what you think it is...... just do a few cycles with it and you'll find that it just doesn't get the job done like they say. I'll bet there is a lot of peeps that agree.

Look you want some great gains and size, I'll give you a f--cking cycle

Weeks 1-10 Test 1 gram / Wk
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 100 mgs / ED
Weeks 1-4 D-bol 50 mgs / ED
Weeks 9-12 Anadrol 100 mgs / ED
Weeks 9-12 D-bol 50 mgs / ED
weeks 11-12 Test Prop 250 mgs EOD

4 Days after last injection.....PCT

I guarantee you at the end of this cycle you will have more strength and size then your cycle......Now you want it all do the above cycle and stop with the sissy cycle you have listed.

Now for what you just stated about my stuff being bogus. At 55 yrs of age 6"1" 273 lbs with 12-13% B/f I don't fuuuuccckkking think so and i have no medical problems at all and I don't do PCT.

Here's one more thing your not going to believe. In 1981 I had a 641 lb bench and weighed 334 lbs with 23" arms with a 60+ inch chest. Your right I don't know what i'm doing.........right deal with that...I'm done with this thread as I think they have a great site here and wish to remain a part of it.

**taiboxa** · 10-01-2006, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Surrender

Being retired all I have to do everyday is what you can't....that is train, cardio, proper nutrition and research. I spend more then 8 hrs a day doing research on anabolic steroids .

Tren is not cracked up to what you think it is...... just do a few cycles with it and you'll find that it just doesn't get the job done like they say. I'll bet there is a lot of peeps that agree.

Look you want some great gains and size, I'll give you a f--cking cycle

Weeks 1-10 Test 1 gram / Wk
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 100 mgs / ED
Weeks 1-4 D-bol 50 mgs / ED
Weeks 9-12 Anadrol 100 mgs / ED
Weeks 9-12 D-bol 50 mgs / ED
weeks 11-12 Test Prop 250 mgs EOD

4 Days after last injection.....PCT

I guarantee you at the end of this cycle you will have more strength and size then your cycle......Now you want it all do the above cycle and stop with the sissy cycle you have listed.

Now for what you just stated about my stuff being bogus. At 55 yrs of age 6"1" 273 lbs with 12-13% B/f I don't fuuuuccckkking think so and i have no medical problems at all and I don't do PCT.

Here's one more thing your not going to believe. In 1981 I had a 641 lb bench and weighed 334 lbs with 23" arms with a 60+ inch chest. Your right I don't know what i'm doing.........right deal with that...I'm done with this thread as I think they have a great site here and wish to remain a part of it.

sir i applaud ur discipline and dedication to research and the achievements u have made but again i state that masteron is most synergistically stacked w/ tren or a nor group compound.

and.. if you think the cycles that I RUN ARE SISSY lol you are quire possibly embarking on the greastest misconception EVER.

if you think i have done my share of research again.. soley mistaking.. i have been studying endocrinology for many years and am working on achieving a docterate in this area as well.

i have ran every compound out there except 1testcyp and furazabol and they are in the mail and i must say for me and many of my associates we agree tren is by far the most ideal drug for lbm gains.

anyways im not going to argue as you are set in your ways but if u look at many of these claims from a biochemical stand point .. the dht/nor combo is steal ideal