BAD test results!

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 08:15 AM

Ok guys, I went to have some bloodwork done before starting my second cycle. My doc called me this morning as soon as he saw my results. My total test level was at 140. Obviously I'm extrememly bummed at the moment.

The doc said the low test was from the use of steroids. I asked how he could know that I didn't have low test lvls before I ever used and he said that that was a possibility.

I have only done one cycle, deca at 300mg weekly for 10 weeks. I finished the cycle approximately eight weeks ago and ran nolva as PCT. What are the chances that my test lvls are still suppressed from my last cycle? Could one cycle really have screwed up my test lvls this bad? Anyone know where I can get in touch with a doc who could answer this question for me?

The Doc said he could put me on TRT (he suggested f'n androgel) or I could get more bloodwork done in a month or two. I'm definatly going to hold off on doing a second cycle till I get all this cleared up. I think I'm gonna wait and get my lvls rechecked in a month. This f'n blows.

**IronReload04** · 10-04-2006, 08:18 AM

well, I am not authoritative on this matter. BUt if i had to take a stab at it, i could guess why. I will let the more experienced answer this question because its out of place for me.

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 08:20 AM

I'm thinking my lvls are still suppressed from the deca. I haven't experienced any sides of the low test lvls after coming off deca, which makes me think perhaps my test lvls have always been low.

**taiboxa** · 10-04-2006, 08:22 AM

nor metabolites kan hang aruond for quite a while..

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 08:23 AM

Thats kinda what I was thinking. I've heard it can suppress you for like six months.

**taiboxa** · 10-04-2006, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

Thats kinda what I was thinking. I've heard it can suppress you for like six months.

well i dunt know bout that but its detectable that long

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 08:42 AM

Does anyone know if my lvls could still be suppressed from the deca or if I'm just screwed?

**taiboxa** · 10-04-2006, 08:42 AM

50/50 in my book LOL

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 08:47 AM

Thanks Tai

**Receiver84** · 10-04-2006, 09:05 AM

I'm with Tia on this one. I think 8 weeks out of stopping deca and still having low levels is a bit quick to think about pushing any panic button. Was PCT good?

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Receiver84

Was PCT good?

I'm not sure what you are asking here. I ran nolvadex for 20mgs per day for 28 days following the cycle. During PCT I kept most of my gains; went from 190-220 on cycle and droped down to abouot 210 after pct. I would attribute most of the 10lbs drop to fat and water weight. My strenght dropped off a bit initially during pct but after training for the past two months, strength is higher than it was at the end of my cycle. I haven't really experienced any problems ED.

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 10:02 AM

Has anyone experienced test suppression up to eight weeks on longer after running deca, or any compound really? If so, how long was it before your test lvls were back to normal.

My problem is that I never got my test lvls checked out before running the cycle.

**Surrender** · 10-04-2006, 12:36 PM

that will teach you not to run deca by itself....

**Dangerdan** · 10-04-2006, 12:57 PM

If I didn't have the test lvls of a 12 year old girl right now, that would have have pissed me off.

Originally Posted by Surrender

that will teach you not to run deca by itself....

**stupidhippo** · 10-04-2006, 02:04 PM

how the hell is runnign deca by itself more suppressing than adding test to it? taht makes no sense what so ever.. more appooriate response would have been: that will teach u to run deca.

**Phreak101** · 10-04-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

Has anyone experienced test suppression up to eight weeks on longer after running deca, or any compound really? If so, how long was it before your test lvls were back to normal.

My problem is that I never got my test lvls checked out before running the cycle.

Dan

I wouldn't worry too much bro. Start taking massive amounts of Tongkat Ali, Tribulus, and DHEA and you WILL see improvements in as a little as a month's time.

Deca severly knocks down your natty test and it can take a LONG time for it to come back, but those supplements can help.

**Warrior21** · 10-04-2006, 02:11 PM

Deca is known as the most suppressive steroid, Tren comes in at close second. Good luck. Don't do the TRT. Maybe you might wanna try that new ADT stuff? The androgen receptor modulator. The science behind it seems to hold water.

**stupidhippo** · 10-04-2006, 02:18 PM

ADT stuff? what is that? any real life experiences suggesting their usefulness?

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-04-2006, 02:23 PM

its just been 8 weeks....they will come back, in the meantime don't take anything that will suppress you even more. Just let your body work itself out on it's own.

**gymrocken** · 10-04-2006, 02:31 PM

this is a GREAT! time to get a perscription for testosterone replacement therapy!

**Warrior21** · 10-04-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

ADT stuff? what is that? any real life experiences suggesting their usefulness?

I haven't done any research on personal experiences on this myself. I've been busy researching.... well you know what the hell I been researching

**fLgAtOr** · 10-04-2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Surrender

that will teach you not to run deca by itself....

I'm actually interested to hear why you said this. How would the addition of exogenous testosterone alleviate his suppression after PCT?

Danger Dan,
Don't panic dude. Tell your doc he's the one who needs androgel, not you. Continue what you are doing...Train hard, eat lots of red meat, and get your EFA's. Congrats on a successful cycle.

**FLBMWMech** · 10-04-2006, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

Does anyone know if my lvls could still be suppressed from the deca or if I'm just screwed?

I can speak from personal experience that after my 1st cycle which was 500Deca and 400Test Cyp that I was still suppressed 8 weeks later.. had a total test level of 90!!!

It was much better by week 12...
My second cycle I used HCG before PCT and I was up and cranking again in 4 weeks.

**pumpd4lif** · 10-04-2006, 05:36 PM

hmmm maybe this re afirms y we dont do DECA ONLY CYCLES : /

**DSM4Life** · 10-04-2006, 05:42 PM

He is right this is learning the hard way. If you did any research on here you would have seen deca shuts you down BIG TIME which is why you should always take at least some (250mg) of test with deca. All it would have taken was a simple read of the Deca profile:

"This also may be the major reason that Deca is such a suppressive drug when it comes to your natural testosterone levels. We can see from the chart below that a simgle measly 100mg injection of Deca caused a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels, and it took roughly a month to return those testosterone levels to baseline! All from 100mgs of Deca!

The moral of this story? Always use Testosterone with your Deca! I suggest 200mgs, minimum, to avoid impotence and sexual dysfunction. For an anabolic effect from that Testosterone, I recommend at least double that, with an equal amount of deca (minimum). I´d also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with deca (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices. "

rref: http://www.steroid.com/Deca.php

**fLgAtOr** · 10-04-2006, 06:03 PM

Im still confused. No one has truely answered my question.

How would exogenous test improve the body's response to recover AFTERWARDS?????

**DSM4Life** · 10-04-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Im still confused. No one has truely answered my question.

How would exogenous test improve the body's response to recover AFTERWARDS?????

If deca shuts you down 100 percent and your body is no longer producing test then where the hell else is your body going to get test from ? NO WHERE which is why its normal to stop deca 1-2 weeks before you stop your test. This will give time for the deca to get out of your system while you are still injecting test. So if deca shut you down 100 percent then you are still getting test to help recover.

**V_Vandetta** · 10-04-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

its just been 8 weeks....they will come back, in the meantime don't take anything that will suppress you even more. Just let your body work itself out on it's own.

Agree with Hellmask it's only been a short time .... just dont plan on using any AAS AT ALL untill you recover

**Haro3** · 10-04-2006, 06:17 PM

could he try running PCT again? a clomid/nolva combo? or HCG???? i honestly dont konw much about this being 8 weeks later but i dont know if it would hurt?

**DSM4Life** · 10-04-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Haro3

could he try running PCT again? a clomid/nolva combo? or HCG???? i honestly dont konw much about this being 8 weeks later but i dont know if it would hurt?

i personally wouldn't run PCT again. You have to now wait for your body to get off its @$$ and get back to work.

**fLgAtOr** · 10-04-2006, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

If deca shuts you down 100 percent and your body is no longer producing test then where the hell else is your body going to get test from ? NO WHERE which is why its normal to stop deca 1-2 weeks before you stop your test. This will give time for the deca to get out of your system while you are still injecting test. So if deca shut you down 100 percent then you are still getting test to help recover.

Right, I understand that you want the metabolites gone by the time you start PCT. But for those 2 or 3 weeks with test but w/out deca, (aside from allow the metabolites to clear) you are still not doing anything for recovery of natty levels. You are still shut down. PCT may be more effective becuase you waited longer, but that has nothing to do with the exogenous test (other than keeping Jr. hard).

If what you are saying is that he could of stayed ON CYCLE longer while the deca beasties cleared by using test, thats understandable. However the same amount of recovery could be acomplished by waiting the same period of time...not neccessarily by the addition of test (excluding gains retained, etc).

**DSM4Life** · 10-04-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

However the same amount of recovery could be acomplished by waiting the same period of time

You are right for the most part BUT certain gear is harder on the body and takes longer to recover from.
"We can see from the chart below that a simgle measly 100mg injection of Deca caused a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels"

100mg shot of deca can take down your entire system and this guy has use 3x that amount. Again, and i am not a doctor so no quotes here, but if you are asking me if i personally think its better to wait the recovery of deca with or without the extra test i will hands down always throw on some test when trying to recover from the hands of deca.

**ghoul000** · 10-04-2006, 06:43 PM

I've read Nolvadex does not help against Deca...best cure for deca is Test.

**fLgAtOr** · 10-04-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

You are right for the most part BUT certain gear is harder on the body and takes longer to recover from.
"We can see from the chart below that a simgle measly 100mg injection of Deca caused a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels"

100mg shot of deca can take down your entire system and this guy has use 3x that amount. Again, and i am not a doctor so no quotes here, but if you are asking me if i personally think its better to wait the recovery of deca with or without the extra test i will hands down always throw on some test when trying to recover from the hands of deca.

I gotcha. I wasn't trying to split hairs, either. I just see everyone jumping on this guy that the reason his natty test is low after 8 weeks is becuase he didn't run test...which isn't entirely correct. I'd say it has more to do with a shitty PCT (no clomid, aromasin, hcg, whatever).

Thanks for the time bro.

**Dangerdan** · 10-05-2006, 08:10 AM

Thanks for the comments. I was a bit freaked out at first when my results came back so low. I'll put off any cycles for the time being and get my levels checked again in a month.

Do you guys think that I should pick up some herbal supplements to speed up the process? Phreak suggested Tongkat Ali, Tribulus and DHEA?

**fLgAtOr** · 10-05-2006, 08:16 AM

I wouldnt use DHEA, but I don't see anything wrong with the other two.

**Dangerdan** · 10-05-2006, 08:17 AM

My only concern is that I dont want to take anything that could possibly cause any additional suppression of my natural test levels.

**DSM4Life** · 10-05-2006, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

My only concern is that I dont want to take anything that could possibly cause any additional suppression of my natural test levels.

There is only one thing you need to take which is time.

**Dangerdan** · 10-06-2006, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

There is only one thing you need to take which is time.

I'm interested in this "time" thing. Can I get it from Lion or should I try to get it from another source? Also, how much should I be taking?

**fLgAtOr** · 10-06-2006, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dangerdan

I'm interested in this "time" thing. Can I get it from Lion or should I try to get it from another source? Also, how much should I be taking?

Fishing for sources, eh?

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