AAS before 20's

[Inclinez]

Just wondering does anyone have any propof that using at a younger age can cause more damage then using it in mid 20's? Most bodybuilders started AAS at liek 15-16. i started my first cycle a year ago at 19 and dont regret it at all, glad i did.

[Bigmax]

There is stats and reports that using AAS at ayoung age can and will cause hinderances and health...theyb have been posted on here countell times...I think Kale posted a very good one a couple of month's ago...I know at too young an age your growth plates are even done growing yet.

[Inclinez]

ill check it out, not trying to be an ass or anything i was just wondering if anyone had anything about this issue because id like to read about it thnx bro

[box101]

Most bodybuilders started AAS at liek 15-16. .

did they?

[Surrender]

Most bodybuilders started AAS at liek 15-16..

Just shows how many dummies you know...............if they did...

[V_Vandetta]

bodybuilders started AAS at liek 15-16. i started my first cycle a year ago at 19 and dont regret it at all, glad i did.

15 OR 16 LMAO were did you hear that???

[Haro3]

Most bodybuilders started AAS at liek 15-16.

im curiuos as to where you got this statistic? because i doubt many professionals talk about their usage. thats all speculation and it's not good advice for new comers to the boards no flame but you have no proof of this

[Inclinez]

Ok, From my experince. Ive heard arnold started young, Alot of the bigger guys at my gym admit to starting around their teens. This one guy who lives aeround my neihbor hood's been using sicne 16 and hes 22 now and still uses and hes freakin huge, Dont get me wrong im in no way encoureging young people to use AAS im just asking for evidence. I dotn want to make a bad inmpression on myself, im new here but this is by far the best forums site ive come across.

[Haro3]

lol did you know arnold? no, truth be known no one knows what the pro's do/take except the pros them self. Your "huge" buddy sounds like the stereostypical meat head that gives steroids a bad name prolly uses high doses and relies on the drugs to get his gains as opposed to his diet.
but you want reasons why not to start young? as far as medical reasons i dont know any but as far as common sense reasons how bout these
1. maturity - i dont know any 16 year old kids that have the muscle maturity that warrants AAS use
2. discipline - i also dont know any 16 year olds that have enough dedication to eat and train 100% correctly
3. experience - you havent had enough years in the gym yet at 16 (most likely)
4. education - you're most likely not NEARLY educated enough on the subject of AAS and should research it seriously for atleast a year i think before considering.
but this is all my opinion take it how you wish

[V_Vandetta]

Ok, From my experince. Ive heard arnold started young, Alot of the bigger guys at my gym admit to starting around their teens. This one guy who lives aeround my neihbor hood's been using sicne 16 and hes 22 now and still uses and hes freakin huge, Dont get me wrong im in no way encoureging young people to use AAS im just asking for evidence. I dotn want to make a bad inmpression on myself, im new here but this is by far the best forums site ive come across.

TEENS THAT COULD MEAN 18 19 TEEN NoT 15 or 16..... I dont think that ALL pros Or many started as young as 15-16 useing AAS( but there may be a few) But all the damage one that young would cause at a young age ... IS JUST CRAZY ...... So true some do start very young Not denying that at all ... but to make a statement the way you did is just Not TRUE

[Inclinez]

[QUOTE=Haro3]lol did you know arnold? no, truth be known no one knows what the pro's do/take except the pros them self. Your "huge" buddy sounds like the stereostypical meat head that gives steroids a bad name prolly uses high doses and relies on the drugs to get his gains as opposed to his diet.
but you want reasons why not to start young? as far as medical reasons i dont know any but as far as common sense reasons how bout these
1. maturity - i dont know any 16 year old kids that have the muscle maturity that warrants AAS use
2. discipline - i also dont know any 16 year olds that have enough dedication to eat and train 100% correctly
3. experience - you havent had enough years in the gym yet at 16 (most likely)
4. education - you're most likely not NEARLY educated enough on the subject of AAS and should research it seriously for atleast a year i think before considering.
but this is all my opinion take it how you wish[/QUOD]


Did i say i knew arnold?? NO.. From what i heard he did, could be true, might not be true. As far as education goes NO im not a genius on it YET but do i know enough about the cycles i am taken, hell yes i do. Yes there are some roids i dotn know anything about yet, but when i decide to try them ill do extensive research like i did for my current cycle

[mds]

At that age your body is full of natural test. You just have to take advantage of it

[V_Vandetta]

LOL bro Take a protein shake and chill a MIn .. Some times you can't belive everything You read .... Some times a little commen sense needs to apply with reasoning ..... But it's cool to post your views and questions .. Not every one will agree ... But keep an open mind that people will rebutt questions that are way off .... in there eyes . maybe not yours but It's all good no worries

Did i say i knew arnold?? NO.. From what i heard he did, could be true, might not be true. As far as education goes NO im not a genius on it YET but do i know enough about the cycles i am taken, hell yes i do. Yes there are some roids i dotn know anything about yet, but when i decide to try them ill do extensive research like i did for my current cycle

[Inclinez]

lol@ the protein shake line, Ya man i wasnt tryin to be disrespectful, Just asking a question.

[Haro3]

i didnt say you as in you personally i said you as in a 16 year old....are you 16? because thats what i was answering chill out buddy.

[lightwaytbaby]

i started a cycle @20 years old, and which ive been training for 4 solid years, and i had an awesome diet, and i never regret it.im glad i stopped growing, damb im 6'4'', i should have started @15 like all the bodybuilders...just kidding.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Going by your pic, your not ready for any aas no matter if your 19 or 32.
Your girls arm looks bigger than yours.

[D-Money]

lol did you know arnold? no, truth be known no one knows what the pro's do/take except the pros them self. Your "huge" buddy sounds like the stereostypical meat head that gives steroids a bad name prolly uses high doses and relies on the drugs to get his gains as opposed to his diet.
but you want reasons why not to start young? as far as medical reasons i dont know any but as far as common sense reasons how bout these
1. maturity - i dont know any 16 year old kids that have the muscle maturity that warrants AAS use
2. discipline - i also dont know any 16 year olds that have enough dedication to eat and train 100% correctly
3. experience - you havent had enough years in the gym yet at 16 (most likely)
4. education - you're most likely not NEARLY educated enough on the subject of AAS and should research it seriously for atleast a year i think before considering.
but this is all my opinion take it how you wish

True Dat. Usually I notice when I here people on this board (as well as medical proffesionals) discouraging the use of AAS its because it can effect ones bone growth,and pemanent adult height.

[V_Vandetta]

Going by your pic, your not ready for any aas no matter if your 19 or 32.
Your girls arm looks bigger than yours.

LMAO thats just not right

[D-Money]

Squawk Squawk Hellmask,lol.

[Haro3]

Going by your pic, your not ready for any aas no matter if your 19 or 32.
Your girls arm looks bigger than yours.

that was gonna be my next post if he had an attitude again. i think my post had reasonable thought behind it.

[Kale]

Here it is again

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[rodge]

i started at age (hardly) 17 and now at age 32 i'm allready on hrt for some time as i did'nt recovered as it should be. after first cycle i was at low end of test level and got worse every time i did another one. at first it looks like fun huh to be on hrt, no more pct and so. but when my wife and i wanted an baby its when trouble started as i had to get completly off for over 8 months before my swimmers recovered a bit while in the mean time i had a test level of next to nothing. let me tell you that this aint fun at all.

so for all the youngsters.... THINK TWICE before starting up to early. and when you do decide to give it a go, make sure that you have covered your pct as it should. too many times i see them do a cycle and have'nt researched pct one bit or they did but they did'nt have the $$$ to follow a proper pct. so remember that pct is the most important thing of the whole cycle.

-rodge

[vitor]

pct is the most important thing of the whole cycle.

-rodge

Coudnt agree more...

If natty testosterone levels dont return to normal, they will eventually loose all the gains, and even go back futher than they where b/f they started to cycle.

[welloiledmachine]

Problem is: there is a rising epidemic of aas abuse among high school and college students. I started at age 19 and was one of the few...My younger cousin is in High school now and tells me that half the football team is using gear. Anyone who begins aas at any age should be well informed, educated, and respect the usage of PCT. I am in my 30's and I damaged my test levels pretty bad by using anabolics for years with no PCT. now I have by bloodwork monitored and am on HRT constantly. 19 is young..so make sure you know whats up before dosing....

[welloiledmachine]

Well said Rodge>>>>>>>>>>>