Revised 2nd Cycle

[Andros]

Ok so the base is fixed at Test E at 500mg a week.

Week 1-10 Test E 250mg x2
Week 1-4 D-bol 80mg/ED
Week 5-10 Winny 40mg/ED


Goals are to put on 15lbs of quality mass plus whatever (hopefully not much) water/fat comes with it.


UPDATE: My stats will be as follows when I start it: 23yrs of age, 200lbs weight, 176cm height

[Prada]

80mgs of Dbol?
Almost 10 consecutive weeks of orals?

[x_moe]

you can still put on 15lbs with 40mgs of dbol, from my experience with dbol i think 80mgs is too much, i gained 15lbs on the first 4 weeks from 30mgs of dbol before my test started to kick in, and it wasnt the first time for me using dbols

[Andros]

Well 80mg of D-bol was because when I tried a bit of D-bol by itself (stupid I know) I didn't really feel much.

I thought it would be good to get lots of water in the muscles to increase strength right at the beginning so that when Test kicks in and I start the winstrol I can push good weights for thicker gains.

[x_moe]

how much dbol did you run when you did it by itself ? and for how long ?

[Andros]

80mgs of Dbol?
Almost 10 consecutive weeks of orals?

I don't drink and have an above average drug clearing ability so I think it would be allright that being said I would monitor my values and reduce dosages if necessary.

Didn't the guys from the 70s 80s use lots of D-bol and Winny throughout? They didn't jaundice.

Does everybody think 80mg D-bol is too much and 10 weeks with orals = superbad? I'm here to learn.

[Andros]

how much dbol did you run when you did it by itself ? and for how long ?

Started at 25mg per day to make sure I wasn't one of those super gyno sensitive guys, this for 2 weeks then bumped up to 40mg for the following 2 weeks. Stopped cause I wasn't really feeling it (maybe a little) and it shut me down a bit too much giving me sex related sides.

[x_moe]

you sure they were legit and not underdosed pills or something ? 25mg is more than enough to feel it plus it gives super gains if you had enough protien and calories intake a day

[fLgAtOr]

What's the rest of your cycle experience??? I would agree that 80 ED is more than you need.

Just a thouht based on you original plan; run winny two weeks later...from 7-12, right up to PCT.

[fLgAtOr]

Ah nevermind...This is your second and your first was dbol only?

[Andros]

Ah nevermind...This is your second and your first was dbol only?

No my first proper cycle was Prop only 50mg a day after the d-bol didn't do shit (and killed little junior) I thought I'd do this properly

[Andros]

you sure they were legit and not underdosed pills or something ? 25mg is more than enough to feel it plus it gives super gains if you had enough protien and calories intake a day

Im pretty sure cause the "boys" shrank and I did feel some strength increase and gained about 6lbs

[italianplayboy09]

just start out at 30mg and increase if you really have to but not to 80mg

[fLgAtOr]

30-40 should be more than adequate.

[Andros]

What's the rest of your cycle experience??? I would agree that 80 ED is more than you need.

Just a thouht based on you original plan; run winny two weeks later...from 7-12, right up to PCT.

Thanks about that, forgot that Test E takes an additional 2 weeks to be out.

[guest589745]

For such a low dose of test the time should be extended IMO.

[guest589745]

Also, be careful, two orals at once could be bad.

[Andros]

To Skull Smasher:

Do you really think 500mg a week is too low for a 2nd cycle? How much would you extend it by?

I'm going to stop the D-bol before I start the winny (in fact thanks to fLgAtOr there is now a week in between) so I won't be running two orals at the same time.

[Andros]

you sure they were legit and not underdosed pills or something ? 25mg is more than enough to feel it plus it gives super gains if you had enough protien and calories intake a day

Don't think they were underdosed, they were like the ones in this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=221636

[fLgAtOr]

To Skull Smasher:

Do you really think 500mg a week is too low for a 2nd cycle? How much would you extend it by?

I'm going to stop the D-bol before I start the winny (in fact thanks to fLgAtOr there is now a week in between) so I won't be running two orals at the same time.

500mg is fine.

Do you have enough to go for 12 weeks? If so, I would. It would also give you a longer break between those two orals.

[Andros]

500mg is fine.

Do you have enough to go for 12 weeks? If so, I would. It would also give you a longer break between those two orals.

I'd need to buy another 10ml bottle, leaving me with 6mls left at the end and increasing the cost. Do you think its worth it? How much more gains would I be likely to see?

[fLgAtOr]

I'd need to buy another 10ml bottle, leaving me with 6mls left at the end and increasing the cost. Do you think its worth it? How much more gains would I be likely to see?

Its up to you really... I couldn't tell you how much more you would gain though. Bump for more opinions for ya.