TREN/PROP for a first cycle..

[mister.fantastic]

Short story: Last year in the spring I ran my covetted TREN/PROP/WINNY cycle and saw AMAZING rseults. Hands down my favorite combonation! My older brother wants has been thinking about taking the plunge ever since he saw the change in that last cycle of mine. Now, his question to me is if he could get away with running a TREn/PROP cycle from the get go. I don't necissarily think its a bad idea for these reasons: He's 28 years old with many years experience in the gym, health and diet, etc. And he has a great natty physique. 6'1" probably 220-225lbs, not an ounce of fat on the guy. He eats SO much better than me. Like i said, he is really conscience and knolwedable when it comes to fitness.

Its a popular stance on the boards, and usually my own stance, that a first cycle should consist of a not much more that a testosterone of a long acting ester, and MAYBE dbol to frontload if anything else. What are you guys thoughts? Anyone have any similar first cycles and if so what have you experienced/ learned, pros/cons etc. Thanks

[Growingpains]

Prop and Test E would be good. prop for first 4 weeks to kick start.

Test E would be best. Virgin receptors. Why use more than you have to?

[lightwaytbaby]

tell him to stick with the just the test, and maybe the d-bol,if he does have a natural good build, and a good diet, he will respond well to the test, and save the advanced cycles for later.

[skipp]

I wouldn't say anything is wrong with doing test/tren, but he won't get the gains from easier cycles after this one..

[mister.fantastic]

All very good points... thanks guys

[skipp]

This cycle is defiantly in my future, I love test and winny and have only heard amazing things about tren (-the side effects lol)

[guest589745]

I know one person who has always used tren since his first cycle and will always include it.

[liftin4life]

I know one person who has always used tren since his first cycle and will always include it.

Oh yeah? Haha...would that "one person" be you? Why do people say to wait on tren? If you use it low-dose to start out..what's the issue?

[SMAN12b]

Oh yeah? Haha...would that "one person" be you? Why do people say to wait on tren? If you use it low-dose to start out..what's the issue?

the issue is that Tren is known for its HARSH side effects and if using the Enanthate ester with it makes it stay in your system longer so it is much harder to get rid of the bad sides should you be the one to get them

[liftin4life]

What are some Tren sides?

[taiboxa]

i know TONS of people IN PERSON who run tren all the time in all cycles.. andu know sides they get?.. mieldly high blood pressure and sweating.. other then that they are PERFECTLY FINE.. they get blood work done once a month and have NO ELEVATED LIV ZYMES or KIDNEY ISSUES.. so that makes me wonder WTF are u tards out htere doing w/ your tren? i guess a few jake and cokes every nite is ok? when u live life on the internet boards parroting..

[fLgAtOr]

I know one person who has always used tren since his first cycle and will always include it.

Guilty.

I would never "recommend" it to anyone, because I prefer to err (sp?) on the conservative side when giving advice. I am my own lab rat, but I won't neccessarily exercise that on anyone else.

In all fairness, I had pretty extensive experience with M1T, 4AD, 1AD, andro etc etc....So i guess it wasn't my first.