Got My Clen Can't Get Benadryl Though!!

[davidinvienna]

hey guys - advice needed!

finally got my clen (Hubei 40mcg) to shed remaining b/f before goin on a serious cycle in Jan. seems though that I can't get my hands on Benadryl ....

1st Q: any of you reckon it's a prob to run Clen for 6weeks without Benadryl?
2nd Q: I do have Taurine tabs dosed 765mg Taurine/80mg Caffeine per tab - should i run them alongside the Clen and if yes what amount?

thx for your help

[RA]

Why not? Go down to the local pharmacy

[davidinvienna]

might have to order it online ... bloody pharmacy here in vienna i went to today said they wouldn't give me any without prescription!!! will try another tomorrow and if same result i'll order from online pharmacy.

[Bigmax]

Thats cause the ingredients in benydryl are being used for recreational drugs making..

[GREENMACHINE]

Thats cause the ingredients in benydryl are being used for recreational drugs making..

explain bro I call BS.

[davidinvienna]

hey BIGMAX - thx for the input, that might explain why the ol' chemist gave me funny a look!

[cj1capp]

explain bro I call BS.

used to make meth
you can still get it but they limit the number of packages to 5 or less .

[Bigmax]

explain bro I call BS.

Explain..what do you think meth is made up of bro...make sure you know what you know what you're talking about before you call BS bro!!!Obviously you dont have a clue.

[Bigmax]

Thank you CJ!!!!!

[CSAR]

Thats cause the ingredients in benydryl are being used for recreational drugs making..

He's right. It's like meth and hard to get in some countries. As an example, if you come through Japanese customs, they will confiscate Benadryl. But you can buy allergy products containing diphenhydramine OTC here. WTF is that about?!

[cj1capp]

Thank you CJ!!!!!

any time Bigmax

[davidinvienna]

hey boys - not meanin to interrupt your meth discussion *LOL* however any of you care to answer my Q No.2 regarding the Taurine???

[BrokenBricks]

Are you guys thinking of sudafed? Benadryl is dyphenhydramine and is not, to my knowledge capable of being easily turned into meth. Sudafed or anything else with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine is only one reaction away from meth and bulk purchased are definitely watched and reported in the US.

[perfectbeast2001]

I buy sleepease or nytol. both contain diphenhydramine

[davidinvienna]

cheers beast mate - always count on you for sum useable advice! ;-) ... and in terms of Taurine dose?

[perfectbeast2001]

I was taking 4 grams a day. 2 am 2pm post cardio and post workout. I never got any cramps.

[davidinvienna]

good stuff beast! with the amount of runnin I'm doin atm cramps are the very last thing i need!

[cj1capp]

Are you guys thinking of sudafed? Benadryl is dyphenhydramine and is not, to my knowledge capable of being easily turned into meth. Sudafed or anything else with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine is only one reaction away from meth and bulk purchased are definitely watched and reported in the US.

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Promising fixes to the meth scourge, including a cold pill impervious to abuse, go unpursued as . . .
Shelved solutions
Wednesday, October 06, 2004
STEVE SUO
Eight years ago at a laboratory in Texas, Warner-Lambert Co. began testing a possible cure for the methamphetamine epidemic: a new and improved cold medicine that could not be turned into the illicit stimulant.

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The company was worried that federal regulators would soon ban or restrict sales of pseudoephedrine, the main ingredient used to make meth and Warner-Lambert products such as Sudafed, Actifed and Benadryl.

Warner-Lambert's meth-proof alternative showed promise in animal testing, conducted at a university lab in Fort Worth. The company quickly applied for a patent. But that is where the product's development ended.

Former company officials said they saw little chance of making a profit on the product. Federal approval of a new drug, which includes lengthy human trials, costs as much as $800 million, according to industry estimates. Warner-Lambert's top-selling cold remedy, Sudafed, was grossing less than $100 million a year.

"It would be a long road and an expensive road," said Robert G. Flynn, a former research vice president at the company.

A cold pill that could not be used to make meth would offer huge public benefits if it replaced existing products. Past constrictions in the flow of meth ingredients have radically altered the trade, disrupting the supply of meth for as long as a year, The Oregonian's analysis of federal data shows.

Federal authorities never offered the pharmaceutical industry financial or other incentives to develop such a pill.

By the time Warner-Lambert had its patent, the threat of a ban on pseudoephedrine had receded. In 2000, Pfizer Inc. took over Warner-Lambert and did not pursue the new cold medicine.

Jay Kosminsky, a Pfizer spokesman, said Warner-Lambert's formula was not enough of an improvement over existing products to merit further research.

Instead, Pfizer tried mixing Sudafed with chemicals that would make it harder for meth traffickers to extract pseudoephedrine. The company chose ingredients already approved for human use, which made it possible to avoid the lengthy testing required for new drugs.

After seven years of research, the company abandoned that project as unworkable this past summer, Kosminsky said.

Warner-Lambert's new decongestant is a close chemical sibling of pseudoephedrine, the bulk of which is manufactured in nine overseas factories. Executives at two of the largest pseudoephedrine makers -- India's Emmellen Biotech and Malladi Drugs -- say they could supply the new chemical if the vast U.S. market demanded it.

"I can supply large quantities, in tons," said V.N. Gopalakrishnan, technical director at Malladi.

Fear of a ban

Pharmaceutical companies have known that cough and cold remedies could be misused ever since the federal government first threatened tighter regulations to deal with the meth problem.

"All manufacturers of these types of products are aware that these decongestant ingredients are related, on a technical, chemical basis, to more powerful abuse drugs," Robert N. Anderson, an attorney for Nyquil maker Richardson-Vicks, wrote to Congress in September 1987.

But Anderson said Vicks' research indicated that it would be impractical for meth cooks to extract ingredients from over-the-counter cold medicine because it "unnecessarily complicates the chemical process, and raises the cost dramatically."

In fact, meth cooks did find it economical to extract the ingredients. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration responded in the 1990s with more attempts to control meth ingredients.

James D. Cope, former president of the Consumer HealthCare Products Association, said he warned the trade group's members that the DEA would make pseudoephedrine a controlled substance unless they prevented their products from being misused.

[cj1capp]

cheers beast mate - always count on you for sum useable advice! ;-) ... and in terms of Taurine dose?

this was taken from meso
Taurine
An amino acid shown in trials to improve heart failure. I believe taurine is one of the big 3 supplements for us. I take 2000mg once a day after my weight training. I recommend 2000 to 4000mg daily for heart failure. If you take more than 2000mg, take it in 2 smaller doses twice a day (such as one 2000mg dose after breakfast and one 2000mg dose after dinner).

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/full...aurine3-2.html

http://www.carnitine-taurine.com/dosage.htm for dogs

[davidinvienna]

interesting read!