1st cycle draft - noob

**Foskamink** · 10-09-2006, 07:41 PM

12 wk 500mg Test E - 2 shots - 1 monday morning 1 thursday night
4 wk 40mg Dbol
letro on hand

PCT - 2 weeks after last shot

3 wk nolvadex 20mg ED
3 wk aroamasin 25mg ED

stats
165ish atm - starting when im back at 170+ 2 months away prolly
5 f 7
15% bf not too sure but
18 years old (spare the lecture please)
max weight has been 187 but i had more bf but i like my weight / shape better now
i plan to try and hit 200 mark which i know is pretty outrageous
but where there is a will theres a way.. and i hopefully will keep at 190+

i think im prone to have a little natural gyno.. and dont want anymore..
anything else think i could add to keep acne away if possible maybe water retation too, havnt down a whole lot of research on AAS, just been studying all the best compounds for first cycle... i quit studying because every 1 said i was too young.. spent most of my weekend studying, the description page misled me at first but i beleive i have cleared the things up with a stupid post and some more research.. not looking to do anything right this moment. but i just like to know about this..

50% of the doses and products i got help from tai.

my diet isnt ready for cycle just yet but my expirence isnt too bad.. past 4 months i have been maintaining size.. but gaining more strength and shape which has actually been quite nice.. was mad sick 2 weeks ago lost like 10 pounds in 5 days but i think i put most of that back on.... err what more can i say.. im going to concentrate my diet back to bulk because its what i need..

please keep the thread on topic and the your not ready and too young speachs to a minimal. oh and that means you too carlos e :P

**pumpd4lif** · 10-09-2006, 07:51 PM

ur girl isnt gonna let u cycle hahahaha

**Foskamink** · 10-09-2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

ur girl isnt gonna let u cycle hahahaha

talked to her about it today she said she has no opinion at all.. why do u say that! :O ?

**GGallin** · 10-09-2006, 08:00 PM

I talked my old lady into it, (Finally). I would guess that every one will probably tell you no D-bol for first cycle, only Test E and of course PCT. And YES you are too young littleman, wait for your pubes to come in all the way, your hormones are still not ready to mess with. I am new here but thats something similar to what they might say.

**Foskamink** · 10-09-2006, 08:02 PM

not worth arugment edit

**pumpd4lif** · 10-09-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by GGallin

I talked my old lady into it, (Finally). I would guess that every one will probably tell you no D-bol for first cycle, only Test E and of course PCT. And YES you are too young little, wait for your pubes to come in all the way, your hormones are still not ready to mess with. I am new here but thats something similar to what they might say.

of course if age experiance and training isnt in order along with diet and what not.

**STEROIDZZ** · 10-09-2006, 08:14 PM

Its simple man the dosage at 500mg a wk ( 2 shots ) is correct, but i suggest this being your first time taking AA's to just hit the test, but if your going to use dbol i suggest starting off the first week at 30mg and see how your body reacts you might not need to hit 40mg, but if 30mg isnt enough then bump it depending on how your body responds to it. Im not going to comment on your age becuase you know 18 is too young but its your choice. If your gyno prone i would use arimidex while on cycle, or letro its your choice, i suggest letro only when your dealing with harsher AA's but its your choice. Your also a lil light even at 170, I would wait to you hit the 200lb mark naturally then go but again its your choice. Be careful and monitor ur body while on AA's . And ur Pct isnt bad, but i also suggest Clomid and Nolva in PCT, but some use arimidex , im not too familiar with it for PCT so wait on others imput on that... good luck and be safe ( continue to research)

**guest589745** · 10-09-2006, 08:17 PM

If you are runnning long esters, I suggest to run it longer than 12 weeks. Maybe you will ahve better luck than me though. Or yuo can run faster esters for 12 weeks.

**Foskamink** · 10-09-2006, 08:18 PM

hmm clomid useless... compared to nolva i think from what ive gatherd.. i chose nolva over nolvadex for some strange reason.. err i wanted to add letro through full cycle but i been advised not to because its really strong and hard.. also advised to start with 30.. but other advised to go with 40. i will go research now about arimidex . will just weight up nolvadex and nolva again. i didnt really post here why i wanna do it at my lighter weight.. but its because i do have the 6 months of not a care in the world other then to dedicate 100% to my first cycle which i would prefer to do it since i wont have school or job in this time.. i want first time to be perfect i read all the time how people say they slack and cheat meal here adn there but i want to be perfect for my first go.

**guest589745** · 10-09-2006, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Foskamink

hmm clomid useless... compared to nolva i think from what ive gatherd..Clomid and nolva arent the same and I recomend both for PCT

i chose nolva over nolvadex for some strange reason..They are the same thing

err i wanted to add letro through full cycle but i been advised not to because its really strong and hard.. also advised to start with 30.. but other advised to go with 40. i will go research now about arimidex. will just weight up nolvadex and nolva again. i didnt really post here why i wanna do it at my lighter weight.. but its because i do have the 6 months of not a care in the world other then to dedicate 100% to my first cycle which i would prefer to do it since i wont have school or job in this time.. i want first time to be perfect i read all the time how people say they slack and cheat meal here adn there but i want to be perfect for my first go.

EDIT: nvm, my bad.

**STEROIDZZ** · 10-09-2006, 08:26 PM

Ok my friend nolva is nolvadex just so you know, nolva is used in the majority of the time along with clomid in order to regain ur normal test production. After injecting synthetic AA's into your body, your normal test production shuts down, relying on the syntehtic test, so once you stop taking the syntehtic test you have to regain ur natural production some how and that is accomplished by nolva and clomid for PCT. And Im glad to see your going to focus yourself on your cycle . I still believe you should run ur cycle no longer then 12 wks its your first cycle and you will see great gains regaurdless of how long the ester is and wks ran. Dont just use nolva for PCT, you need both Clomid and Nolva. But if you do choose to run nolva on cycle thats fine i guess, but my vote goes to arimidex on cycle , Nolva & Clomid for PCT.... be safe and if you have any more questions ill be glad to help, and if i cant help ill try and find someone who can

**Foskamink** · 10-09-2006, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by STEROIDZZ

Ok my friend nolva is nolvadex just so you know

thats what i thought.. but i get confused when people say nolva and not nolvadex .. i just using the names i found

**Foskamink** · 10-09-2006, 08:32 PM

im going to bed.. ill look into the changes you suggested and see what i think and what others think / suggest after i done more research thanks for the reponses

**GGallin** · 10-09-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Foskamink

get out of my thread.. ur no longer welcome.. come in here giving advice .. wait for my pubes to come all the way out.. i saw ur members pics when u first joined and wasnt negative.. and u come in a week or 2 later without giving me advice like that..

not to mention i noted somone being rude towards u in ur thread.. when i could have easily said the same thing

Dude I wasnt saying that stuff about you, I was saying what they might say to you. I wasnt gonna put you down bro, if you want to do AAS at 18 then more power to you. Its your right man, if you were 16 I would tell you to reconsider but you are legally an adult now, your gonna do what you want. And my member pics were pretty bad I do admit. Chillax a little, look your already roid raging.

**Foskamink** · 10-09-2006, 08:38 PM

not worth argument edit

**STEROIDZZ** · 10-09-2006, 08:40 PM

**Hackamaniac** · 10-09-2006, 08:40 PM

I think he was serious Foska
I don't think he was putting you down

**GGallin** · 10-09-2006, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Foskamink

dont tell me u wernt putting me down because ur not so humorous comment was. this is a 18+ website if u are unaware. im guessing ur 23-27 and if ur younger then urself is still too young/border line. and i hate to have to do this and get on carlos package but when im 25 i want to look like him in this pic (below) not like you.

Yeah I am confused too, um when exactly did I say all of that? Um I am at a loss for words......... You dont need AAS you need some Ritalin, some flintstones vitamins and some Zoloft. Good luck with your cycle Harry Potter...... See NOW I am making fun of you, see the difference.

**Tuna11** · 10-09-2006, 09:57 PM

cant we all just get along??

**BIG LITTLE MAN** · 10-09-2006, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by GGallin

Yeah I am confused too, um when exactly did I say all of that? Um I am at a loss for words......... You dont need AAS you need some Ritalin, some flintstones vitamins and some Zoloft. Good luck with your cycle Harry Potter...... See NOW I am making fun of you, see the difference.

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 04:07 AM

no worth arugment edit

**Wayne55** · 10-10-2006, 04:19 AM

Your a dick. And you cant spell. just btw.

**Wayne55** · 10-10-2006, 04:22 AM

I like my first post. Very productive id say...

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 04:28 AM

not worth argument edit

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 04:30 AM

not worth argument edit

**Wayne55** · 10-10-2006, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by Foskamink

not worth argument edit

Your right. Im sorry. All the best with your cycle. Hope you
achieve your goals... Later.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-10-2006, 05:58 AM

hey foska when you gonna run this cycle? I thought you were going to wait a couple of years dude?

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

hey foska when you gonna run this cycle? I thought you were going to wait a couple of years dude?

im still decideing.. have like 6-8 months of doing nothing.. in a new city new language.. same country.. really good chance to do a perfect first cycle.. even tho im a bit young..

oh and to answer ur question i was thinking in 2-3 months

but hey this is just getting the cycle plan together.. i might not be even able to get a source here for quite some time..

**fLgAtOr** · 10-10-2006, 06:33 AM

Hey bro...

I understand why you chose aromasin over clomid...Just make sure you have you reserach in line. I plan to do the same in my next PCT.

If you're worried about some of the sides like acne and bloating, just run the letro thoughout...Keep it at a low dose, and you shouldn't have any probs.

I also want to encourage you to get your diet straightened out before hand...I don't see why you can't set a goal of 175 first. You're more than capable and you certainly have a buttload of support here.

Good luck bro.

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 07:08 AM

thanks flag for the advice.. yes i plan to be 175 easily.. there will be a good month or 2 of strict diet before cycle starts.. hell i might even jump over 180.. should make fast fains over a few months before i start cycle because ive been shapeing and strengthin on low cals.. but i just give my current stats.. but i do want to get everything plannes months in advance... starting new diet end of month.. and then cycle realisticly 1-2 months after

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 07:09 AM

another question..

single ml amps or 10ml bottles... i thought singe ml be easiest but others say 10ml bottle.. discuss!

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-10-2006, 07:11 AM

I prefer amps but I take bottles if thats all there is. Beggars can't be choosers!

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-10-2006, 07:44 AM

Has anyone seen this kids pics?!?!?

The only thing he is ready for is creatine....and thats barely!

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-10-2006, 08:04 AM

yeah foska,ididnt realize you were 18, you should wait at least until 21yo or later, your body is producig alot of test naturaly at your age. make all the gains you can now and THAN when you get to a point that you cant get any bigger or stronger naturaly, than consider the aas

**STEROIDZZ** · 10-10-2006, 08:07 AM

Hellmask to the rescue again, no i havent seen his pics? where they at ? I think he should wait and get up to 200lbs but i highly doubt he will send me url for his pics....

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Has anyone seen this kids pics?!?!?

The only thing he is ready for is creatine....and thats barely!

u seen my 158 lbs pics straight after being sick as a dog for a week.. ill put more when im back to 170lbs... u cant see my chest at all in my 158 pics at all.. i drop in size dramaticly if im ever sick for even a little bit.. like i said ill be more like 175+ when i start maybe 180.. but dont talk about my pics... just found the digital camera and wasnt afraid to show pics even at my weakest weight in years.. ill show u better pics when i regain what i lost..

also i dont like creatine i like just protein and tribulus

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by STEROIDZZ

Hellmask to the rescue again, no i havent seen his pics? where they at ? I think he should wait and get up to 200lbs but i highly doubt he will send me url for his pics....

members pic page

**italianplayboy09** · 10-10-2006, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by STEROIDZZ

Hellmask to the rescue again, no i havent seen his pics? where they at ? I think he should wait and get up to 200lbs but i highly doubt he will send me url for his pics....

200lbs at 5'7"...damn. im 5'8" and im gonna run a cycle some time soon. im at 175 but im also 9% bodyfat

**Foskamink** · 10-10-2006, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by italianplayboy09

200lbs at 5'7"...damn. im 5'8" and im gonna run a cycle some time soon. im at 175 but im also 9% bodyfat

very big natural 5.7 200 lbs.
i plan to be 175-180 12% when i start this cycle

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-10-2006, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Foskamink

very big natural 5.7 200 lbs.
i plan to be 175-180 12% when i start this cycle

Glad your being realistic now instead of jumping on in 2 months.
Thats a good goal to achive before turning to aas.
Consistancy in diet and training with alot of rest and You will hit that goal in maybe only 2 years if everythings down. Goodluck.