who really does blood work, on cycle?

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i do after my cycle, even though i'm on script trt. several times actually. 1st about 3 weeks after, then ew until normal, or close to it. i see no point in doing any bloodwork while "on". of course, especially a higher dose guy like myself, would be way off the charts. and that would tell me what? my gear is legit? imo if you are "on" and your b.w. is anywhere close to normall, including liver values. you have bunck gear bmy friends.
that would be like going out to party, drink a 5th of vodka and go check you b.w.

[Swifto]

i do after my cycle, even though i'm on script trt. several times actually. 1st about 3 weeks after, then ew until normal, or close to it. i see no point in doing any bloodwork while "on". of course, especially a higher dose guy like myself, would be way off the charts. and that would tell me what? my gear is legit? imo if you are "on" and your b.w. is anywhere close to normall, including liver values. you have bunck gear bmy friends.
that would be like going out to party, drink a 5th of vodka and go check you b.w.

Which isnt an intteligent statement by all means.

I get it done every 4-5 weeks whilst "on" and many should also. I feel, not enough people get bloodwork done when "on", on this board and others.

Why wouldnt you want to monitor your body when your introducing foreign substances and causing changes in hormone levels and body composition?

If you have access to regular bloodwork, then use it. Its imperitive IMHO.

[Swifto]

I posted this a few months ago:

"I see to many new user's to AS posting on here, NOT getting bloodwork done at key points as I feel its so important. Injectables or orals, bloodwork is still neccessary IMO.

What to get tested

Below is what I get tested:

ENDOCRINOLOGY
Testosterone



LIVER FUNCTION TESTS
Albumin
Globulin
Total Protein
Bilirubin
Gamma GT
Alkaline Phosphatase
Aspartate Transferase (AST)
Alanine Transferase (ALT)

LIPID PROFILE
Triglycerides
Total Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
HDL Cholesterol
HDL/Cholesterol Ratio

KIDNEY FUNCTION
Urea
Creatinine

FULL BLOOD COUNT

RED CELL COUNT
Haemoglobin
Haematocrit (HCT)
Red Cell Count
Red Cell Distribution Width (RDW)
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV)
Mean Corpuscular Haemoglobin (MCH)
Mean Corpuscular Haemoglobin Concentration (MCHC)

DIFFERENTIAL WHITE CELL COUNT
White Cell Count
Neutrophils
Lymphocytes
Monocytes
Eosinophils
Basophils
Platelet Count
ESR

ELECTROLYTES
Sodium
Potassium
Chloride
Bicarbonate
Uric Acid

MUSCLE ENZYME
Creatine Kinase


MINERALS
Calcium
Phosphate


IRON STATUS PROFILE
Iron
Total Iron Binding Capacity

For the UK bro's. This was copy/pasted from:

http://www.thedoctorltd.co.uk.

Where they offer bloodtests for a fee. Thats if you cant persuade your doctor to do it?

When to get bloodwork done

Bloodwork is needed at 3 points when cycling or about to embark on a cycle containing Pro-Hormones/Anabolic Steroids.

- 1-2 weeks proir to starting any cycle containing Pro-Hormones/Anabolic Steroids. This will decide if your body is in good condition and should determine whether your cycle goes ahead or not. If you have an abnormalities, dont cycle. Wiat a further 6-8 weeks, then get the tests done again. Cycling when your body isnt ready may lead to short/long term health problems, so shouldnt be done.

- About 4-8 weeks into your cycle, whilst "on". I say 4-8, as cycling compounds that aromotase heavily, 17aa's or massive dosages, one should get bloodwork done more often.

These tests should determine whether your cycle should continue or change in any way. For example, if your liver values were above normal after 6 weeks of cycling Dbol and your final 8 weeks of the cycle contained Winstrol, drop the Winstrol. Or get bloodwork done again, when using the Winstrol.

Or dropping the 17aa if liver values are high. A bit of common sense is needed here I think.

One could also get testosterone tested, to see what the level of suppression is, if using androgens that suppress, not cause total HPTA shutdown.

If your cylcing longer, for 24+ weeks, bloodwork becomes more important and should be done more often IMO. Any health defects, if any, need to picked up and addressed accordingly.

- After PCT. About 5-7 weeks after PCT has finished. This way all the compounds you may have used for PCT are no longer active. This test is important, as it should determine whether another ligter/hevier PCT is needed. One could also get SHBG tested, to see if it needed to be lowered as it can really compromise ones PCT and its effectiveness.

Time On + PCT = Time Off here still applies. Getting bloodwork done doesnt mean your can cycle again. Cycles have been proven to be less effective when back to back, so wait 2-4 months, then cycle again. Or if short cycling, (Marcus... ) bloodwork is still needed at the points I've stated.



A very informative thread on bloodwork is below:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ormal +ranges"

[cj1capp]

Which isnt an intteligent statement by all means.

I get it done every 4-5 weeks whilst "on" and many should also. I feel, not enough people get bloodwork done when "on", on this board and others.

Why wouldnt you want to monitor your body when your introducing foreign substances and causing changes in hormone levels and body composition?

If you have access to regular bloodwork, then use it. Its imperitive IMHO.

SAME HERE

[vitor]

I dont have BW very often. Normally yust b/f I start a cycle. Evertime I have BW my female-doctor gives me such a pep-talk about steroids, Very annoying!!!

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no need for the remark on my intelligence. if you feel i am misinformed feel free to say so but... if your on high doses of d-bol, plus whatever, and your liver functions are normall....i say your wasting your money on bunck d-bol. and why would you test your free test levels if your introducing test into your system. i always do b.w. just not while "on" like i said. especially for those who use large doses. your results are meaningless. i do b.w. while on low dose trt and i am way above normall. sooooo

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btw i agree not near enough guys get b.w. done at all. almost everyone says they do but.... i think as many times as i've been on, or just not come off. my concern is what happens internally after the gear is out. same as alcohol....kinda

[Swifto]

no need for the remark on my intelligence. if you feel i am misinformed feel free to say so but... if your on high doses of d-bol, plus whatever, and your liver functions are normall....i say your wasting your money on bunck d-bol. and why would you test your free test levels if your introducing test into your system. i always do b.w. just not while "on" like i said. especially for those who use large doses. your results are meaningless. i do b.w. while on low dose trt and i am way above normall. sooooo

So let me get this straight. Your bloodwork comes back far from normal, "way above normall", when your on TRT, yet you dont bother, or feel its important to get further bloodwork done when you increase your TRT dose, or introduce other compounds?

[smiler]

So let me get this straight. Your bloodwork comes back far from normal, "way above normall", when your on TRT, yet you dont bother, or feel its important to get further bloodwork done when you increase your TRT dose, or introduce other compounds?

dude are you thinking clearly? sorry. anyway yes i am on trt. script really cool fam. doc. up to 600 mg cyp ew. call bs if you want but it's a fact. so if i increase from 600mg test to say.....3 grams. why i9n the world would i recheck my free test. just to spend $. ? make sure my script gear is real? hmmm. i already know my liver and ldl are outa whack while cycling so what am i to confirm. at what point do you say..."ok those values are high enough"? and stop ypur cycle, or change it? what is your majic #

[Swifto]

dude are you thinking clearly? sorry. anyway yes i am on trt. script really cool fam. doc. up to 600 mg cyp ew. call bs if you want but it's a fact. so if i increase from 600mg test to say.....3 grams. why i9n the world would i recheck my free test. just to spend $. ? make sure my script gear is real? hmmm. i already know my liver and ldl are outa whack while cycling so what am i to confirm. at what point do you say..."ok those values are high enough"? and stop ypur cycle, or change it? what is your majic #

I'm not on about testing "free test" I'm talking about other factors, like liver values, lipid profile and cholesterol "dude".

So wouldnt getting bloodwork done, when you ramp your doses to cycling levels, to see if your lipid profile, cholesterol, blood pressure and liver values are much to high be benificial to you? If there dangerously high, wouldnt you want to go back to your TRT dose, drop various compounds or introduce various compounds/drugs to combat these elevations?

[Streaker]

I didn’t get blood work down before my 1st cycle but I’m about to start my 2nd cycle in a few weeks and I just ordered blood work from directlabs.com. I ordered the Complete Wellness Profile + the Testosterone, Total and Free. I know it’s not all the tests that are recommended on this site but just those test were almost $200. I figure it’s better then not doing blood work at all. If any one has experience using sites like directlabs and can recommend a better package to order please let me know.

[Streaker]

Here is what makes up the Wellness profile:
#1 ordered test - year after year!
Over 50 individual laboratory tests to provide a thorough Biochemical assessment of your health, and includes the basic cardiovascular tests as well as diabetes testing:
Lipid panel (cholesterol, HDL, LDL, the risk ratio, triglycerides)
Complete Blood Count (CBC's)
Fluids and Electrolytes
Thyroid Panel w/TSH
Liver Panel
Kidney Panel
Glucose (Diabetes)
Mineral and Bone

[rast4man]

Pre cycle BW here during the cycle of the orals, after the cylcle of the orals and a few midway tests until it's done, and then a post cycle test. Better safe than sorry.

[rast4man]

Here is what makes up the Wellness profile:
#1 ordered test - year after year!
Over 50 individual laboratory tests to provide a thorough Biochemical assessment of your health, and includes the basic cardiovascular tests as well as diabetes testing:
Lipid panel (cholesterol, HDL, LDL, the risk ratio, triglycerides)
Complete Blood Count (CBC's)
Fluids and Electrolytes
Thyroid Panel w/TSH
Liver Panel
Kidney Panel
Glucose (Diabetes)
Mineral and Bone

I use Directlabs.com myself.

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I'm not on about testing "free test" I'm talking about other factors, like liver values, lipid profile and cholesterol "dude".

So wouldnt getting bloodwork done, when you ramp your doses to cycling levels, to see if your lipid profile, cholesterol, blood pressure and liver values are much to high be benificial to you? If there dangerously high, wouldnt you want to go back to your TRT dose, drop various compounds or introduce various compounds/drugs to combat these elevations?

just a disscusion...easy. so what is your answer to my previous question? what are your majic #s my Ldl was 684 before i ever ran a cycle. i totally changed my diet and started in the gym. (treadmill at 1st) the doc put me on Lipitor, 80 mg ed. which in turn fckd up my liver values. i got off all my meds. (had high b.p. as well) thats when i got serious about working out. that was many years ago. all my tests are damn near perfect now when off cycle. after the 1st week my levels of everything are way better than before. plus only a week off is gonna pretty much tell you how you were "on". depending on the ester of course. only other med i take now is for high b.p. which i do monitor while "on". don't take d-bol cuz it get's way high.

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I'm not on about testing "free test" I'm talking about other factors, like liver values, lipid profile and cholesterol "dude".

So wouldnt getting bloodwork done, when you ramp your doses to cycling levels, to see if your lipid profile, cholesterol, blood pressure and liver values are much to high be benificial to you? If there dangerously high, wouldnt you want to go back to your TRT dose, drop various compounds or introduce various compounds/drugs to combat these elevations?

next time I'll say "bro" instead of "dude" ...sorry. I am an old fart. no insult intended

[smiler]

i should add, i did used to check my estradol. now i take .5 mg A-dex ed (also script)

[BG]

Its nice to know test, estrogen levels and liver/kidney values so if something is way off you can correct before to much damage is done. I also like to see how different dosages of GH effect my IGF levels.

[stuball]

I posted this a few months ago:

"I see to many new user's to AS posting on here, NOT getting bloodwork done at key points as I feel its so important. Injectables or orals, bloodwork is still neccessary IMO.

What to get tested

Below is what I get tested:

ENDOCRINOLOGY
Testosterone



LIVER FUNCTION TESTS
Albumin
Globulin
Total Protein
Bilirubin
Gamma GT
Alkaline Phosphatase
Aspartate Transferase (AST)
Alanine Transferase (ALT)

LIPID PROFILE
Triglycerides
Total Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
HDL Cholesterol
HDL/Cholesterol Ratio

KIDNEY FUNCTION
Urea
Creatinine

FULL BLOOD COUNT

RED CELL COUNT
Haemoglobin
Haematocrit (HCT)
Red Cell Count
Red Cell Distribution Width (RDW)
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV)
Mean Corpuscular Haemoglobin (MCH)
Mean Corpuscular Haemoglobin Concentration (MCHC)

DIFFERENTIAL WHITE CELL COUNT
White Cell Count
Neutrophils
Lymphocytes
Monocytes
Eosinophils
Basophils
Platelet Count
ESR

ELECTROLYTES
Sodium
Potassium
Chloride
Bicarbonate
Uric Acid

MUSCLE ENZYME
Creatine Kinase


MINERALS
Calcium
Phosphate


IRON STATUS PROFILE
Iron
Total Iron Binding Capacity

For the UK bro's. This was copy/pasted from:

http://www.thedoctorltd.co.uk.

Where they offer bloodtests for a fee. Thats if you cant persuade your doctor to do it?

When to get bloodwork done

Bloodwork is needed at 3 points when cycling or about to embark on a cycle containing Pro-Hormones/Anabolic Steroids.

- 1-2 weeks proir to starting any cycle containing Pro-Hormones/Anabolic Steroids. This will decide if your body is in good condition and should determine whether your cycle goes ahead or not. If you have an abnormalities, dont cycle. Wiat a further 6-8 weeks, then get the tests done again. Cycling when your body isnt ready may lead to short/long term health problems, so shouldnt be done.

- About 4-8 weeks into your cycle, whilst "on". I say 4-8, as cycling compounds that aromotase heavily, 17aa's or massive dosages, one should get bloodwork done more often.

These tests should determine whether your cycle should continue or change in any way. For example, if your liver values were above normal after 6 weeks of cycling Dbol and your final 8 weeks of the cycle contained Winstrol, drop the Winstrol. Or get bloodwork done again, when using the Winstrol.

Or dropping the 17aa if liver values are high. A bit of common sense is needed here I think.

One could also get testosterone tested, to see what the level of suppression is, if using androgens that suppress, not cause total HPTA shutdown.

If your cylcing longer, for 24+ weeks, bloodwork becomes more important and should be done more often IMO. Any health defects, if any, need to picked up and addressed accordingly.

- After PCT. About 5-7 weeks after PCT has finished. This way all the compounds you may have used for PCT are no longer active. This test is important, as it should determine whether another ligter/hevier PCT is needed. One could also get SHBG tested, to see if it needed to be lowered as it can really compromise ones PCT and its effectiveness.

Time On + PCT = Time Off here still applies. Getting bloodwork done doesnt mean your can cycle again. Cycles have been proven to be less effective when back to back, so wait 2-4 months, then cycle again. Or if short cycling, (Marcus... ) bloodwork is still needed at the points I've stated.



A very informative thread on bloodwork is below:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ormal +ranges"

How much does that cost, and is that exactlly what you ask for ??

[smiler]

Its nice to know test, estrogen levels and liver/kidney values so if something is way off you can correct before to much damage is done. I also like to see how different dosages of GH effect my IGF levels.

I guess if I had an unlimited amount of cash, and really cared what the difference was between taking 3 grams test ew and 2 g ew, i would have my test level checked. that test is a bit spendy though. not to mention i already know it would be "off the charts". estrogen, i agree. as i said above I did this so now I take .5 mg a-dex ed.=good to go. also spendy. can you imagine your kidney function while on a high dose of tren, test, plus whatever else. this is all just imo but i want to know that i am recovering well, even while on trt. when i say recovering i am refering to everything not related to test.