winstrol only!?!?!?

[kostakv]

I was thinking about going on a winstrol only cycle, wondering if this is a good idea????? 50mg a day of the water based or should i do 50mg every three days of the depot????

[V_Vandetta]

I was thinking about going on a winstrol only cycle, wondering if this is a good idea????? 50mg a day of the water based or should i do 50mg every three days of the depot????

bro no winny only is not such a good Idea .. also what are yoru stats ..

Age
weight
training
BF
diet
goals

also I would suggets some RESEARCH Big time winny Inject needs to be hit ED and to be honest 2X per day.... so please answer the questions and lets see if we can help

[pumpd4lif]

yes stats will hwlp us help u and winny should be taken at least 2xed some guys take it 3xed do to the 10 half life but winny only spfft IMO
what are ur goals and stats bro

[V_Vandetta]

yes stats will hwlp us help u and winny should be taken at least 2xed some guys take it 3xed do to the 10 half life but winny only spfft IMO
what are ur goals and stats bro

LOl had to one up me and say 3x per day

[kostakv]

21
185
6days a week
very lil body fat
3000 calories a day CURRENTLY
cut with some mass

[kostakv]

if i use winstrol depot how many times should i inject
what is wrong with winstrol only??
what should i mix it with

[kostakv]

i want to keep MOST of my gains after a cycle??? dont want to over do it

[rockhardman]

u want to keep most of ur gains in your cycle, well i think IGF will be a good choice to bridge between ur cycles IMO

[IBdmfkr]

I used to say no to this question and flame the guy asking but recently I wonder if running a single suppresive compound like Winny/Primo/Masteron/Eq/Var by itself would cause total shutdown of the HPTA.
If it didn't cause complete shutdown then this would mean you could actually retain much more of your gains from a cycle consisting of these drugs rather than more suppresive androgens like Test/Tren/Deca/Drol etc. Or you could possibly run the less suppressive compounds near the end overlapping the cycle helping to ease recovery.

Thoughts?

[Xtralarg]

I used to say no to this question and flame the guy asking but recently I wonder if running a single suppresive compound like Winny/Primo/Masteron/Eq/Var by itself would cause total shutdown of the HPTA.
If it didn't cause complete shutdown then this would mean you could actually retain much more of your gains from a cycle consisting of these drugs rather than more suppresive androgens like Test/Tren/Deca/Drol etc. Or you could possibly run the less suppressive compounds near the end overlapping the cycle helping to ease recovery.

Thoughts?

I know one guy personally who runs Winny on its own with good success. No major gains, just a few pounds, hard and lean though.

[stupidhippo]

I used to say no to this question and flame the guy asking but recently I wonder if running a single suppresive compound like Winny/Primo/Masteron/Eq/Var by itself would cause total shutdown of the HPTA.
If it didn't cause complete shutdown then this would mean you could actually retain much more of your gains from a cycle consisting of these drugs rather than more suppresive androgens like Test/Tren/Deca/Drol etc. Or you could possibly run the less suppressive compounds near the end overlapping the cycle helping to ease recovery.

Thoughts?

interestin idea... btw is it me or have u gotten a lot bigger recently? I mean in the last year or sumin... u are starting to look big!

[IBdmfkr]

Yes, I've been experimenting with different training theories and really dialed in my diet..

Thanks SH.

[stupidhippo]

if u sometime have the energy u could type up the basic principles concerning diet / gym... cause Im really looking into easing up on my training volume cause my body cant handle the amount Im doing now (that is cause I train combat sports too). 1 on 2 off would be really good for me...

[Property of Steroid.com]

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[IBdmfkr]

That's exactly what I train.. 1on2off HIT training. I have a few threads aboutt his subject floating around.

btw, Bump for my above statement and question?

[helium3]

I used to say no to this question and flame the guy asking but recently I wonder if running a single suppresive compound like Winny/Primo/Masteron/Eq/Var by itself would cause total shutdown of the HPTA.
If it didn't cause complete shutdown then this would mean you could actually retain much more of your gains from a cycle consisting of these drugs rather than more suppresive androgens like Test/Tren/Deca/Drol etc. Or you could possibly run the less suppressive compounds near the end overlapping the cycle helping to ease recovery.

Thoughts?

id agree with this,quick recovery and small gains make sense,it depends on the users overall goals.

[stupidhippo]

ok kool, Ill start looking ur posts/threads...... Im also interested in this question, I bet AR does have a pretty educated opinion.

[helium3]

to me it makes more sense to run winstrol on its own than say dbol,where most gains are lost,neither is hugely suppressive and in part becuase the short length they are run.id run it for 4-6 weeks recovery will be a piece of piss.

[V_Vandetta]

I used to say no to this question and flame the guy asking but recently I wonder if running a single suppresive compound like Winny/Primo/Masteron/Eq/Var by itself would cause total shutdown of the HPTA.
If it didn't cause complete shutdown then this would mean you could actually retain much more of your gains from a cycle consisting of these drugs rather than more suppresive androgens like Test/Tren/Deca/Drol etc. Or you could possibly run the less suppressive compounds near the end overlapping the cycle helping to ease recovery.

Thoughts?

IMO this depends on many things .. one a first time cycle should not consist of a winny only.....because most or the time guys want to run the tab not the inject.... also in the past I have made statments about haveing one form of test in a cycle and after going through years of loggs .... I have not had one cycle that did'nt have one form of test .....

bUt in answer to to your question running a single suppresive compound ... I have done so more as a bridge ,Curiser and even with a pct with the bridge still dropped my HPTA suppresed if you will a lot lower than you think.. once again I think this has a lot to do with previous cycles and so forth.. also this would depend on the dosage run becasue at what dosage will you see any results IMO would have to be a very modarate one once again because of past cycles thus even at a give dosage will be most suppresive

So i would say that it just depends on the person and most important prior cycles.... because as i said before the body dont know the difference between TEST E or TEST C dbol or Anadrol ... just the anabolic propities and that what the body will respond to

[IBdmfkr]

So do you have experience running the less suppessive compounds by themselves and have bloodwork showing the difference of suppression?

This is what I'm doing over the next 8-12wks with bloodwork done every 3-4months to see how my levels respond..
Primo will be run by itself with HGH/IGF and slin.

Normally I'd never do this but since asking this question I've yet to see one studies suggesting against it, or anyone with any personal experience backed by anything but their word. Sometimes you just have to experiment on your own to get a straight answer.

[V_Vandetta]

So do you have experience running the less suppessive compounds by themselves and have bloodwork showing the difference of suppression?

This is what I'm doing over the next 8-12wks with bloodwork done every 3-4months to see how my levels respond..
Primo will be run by itself with HGH/IGF and slin.

Normally I'd never do this but since asking this question I've yet to see one studies suggesting against it, or anyone with any personal experience backed by anything but their word. Sometimes you just have to experiment on your own to get a straight answer.

yes you do and that bro will be your guide line .. I have had run blood work with running just the low end AAS and I know more than just quessing .. also this wasa big debate many mnay years ago among many BB when running HGH for 6 months what compounds do you run as your cycle than when off what do you bridge with and so forth SO lets just say that it made little difference ....... becasue with all the blood work said and done It will come down to the person how well they have taken care natty test recovery did they run cycles the right way didthey Pct right did they go in prolong shut down .. this is what will make the over all difference IMO

[IBdmfkr]

Agreed, V I know you've been around for a while and seen a lot of theories come and go, thanks for the input.

[V_Vandetta]

Agreed, V I know you've been around for a while and seen a lot of theories come and go, thanks for the input.

It's all good bro .... really I have seen stuff come and go( tryed it) But I have also sceen guys get away with stuff that was impossible .. why becasue they were different.. But keep us posted when you run the blood work.. and from your AVI you have been around the block with many cycles behind ya ... I like to see how this works for you... It just might .... and it would be nice to see how this pans out good luck with it

[IBdmfkr]

Thanks.. any advice on what to look out for on the BW besides free/total test levels.

[V_Vandetta]

Thanks.. any advice on what to look out for on the BW besides free/total test levels.

just a few things bro to keep an eye on even though you are running a low compound that I have always checked

Homocysteine

Lipid Panel

HDL/LDL

Triglycerides

WBC Total (White Blood Cell)

Sodium

these are a few as well among a few other thigs I keep a close eye on ... I know lots of guys that just care about there free test ranges and thats all... also dont go by text book ranges .. have a complete panel done OFF CYCLE for at least 3 months when all systems are normal.... use that as a baseline becasue values will differ

[stupidhippo]

so vandetta.. dou have any guidelines to what kind of dosages u can use a compund in PCT so that it doesnt hinder recovery alot.. for example 10 mg of winstroll every morning or sumin in that manner?

[IBdmfkr]

You would remain suppressed and you wouldn't be doing PCT.. that's considered bridging.

I'm talking about the degree of suppression considering the compound/dosages used.

[V_Vandetta]

so vandetta.. dou have any guidelines to what kind of dosages u can use a compund in PCT so that it doesnt hinder recovery alot.. for example 10 mg of winstroll every morning or sumin in that manner?

use a compound in PCT?????? that would be stupid pct is ment to recover... not continue compounds ..the view once apon a time was to taper cyle doses until Natty test recovered along side the compound than use a clomind nolva pct ect....... Now where the insain reasoning came in to play was bridging with LOW supressive compounds like winny primo masterone was also in gaged around the time the cycle was complteet thus the low AAS would still be low with natty levels still high eneough.... NOT TRUE .. becasue at what point is HPTA stable ... its not so any new compound interduced during that time will still supress and lower......

what i am refering to is just running a single suressive compound the role that plays how suppressive is it for what lenght of time what dose ... is it worth running at such a low dose that it dont supress but yet not eneough to get gains ...... or even high enough to get desired gains but think becasue its low end it will not shut you down ...... I say it does becasue it did .... running any compound has an overy all effect on your body system... and like all things there is more at work than you think it depends greatly on previous cycle history .... I my self cant compete with this theory becasue i have run so many long and high end cycles that it caused premendant HPTA damage mild at 25% reduction ...... so Now I run normal at 75% which is not true becasue or age it dropped another 10% which leaves me at 65% ... So do you really think If I run a low compound I will only supress a little NOT A CHANCE I will shut down or so low that It wont matter.... and hwat my point in all this is that just becasue a compound is low dont mean It cant lower you down to a point of near shut down .....like i said a lot plays a rule in this .....

[IBdmfkr]

Agreed, obviously this protocol isn't just for the average builder but a competive BB'er might benefit from bridging between heavy androgenic cycles to retain gains although it could lead to permanent shutdown of the HPTA.

Depends on whether it's worth taking that risk.

[V_Vandetta]

Agreed, obviously this protocol isn't just for the average builder but a competive BB'er might benefit from bridging between heavy androgenic cycles to retain gains although it could lead to permanent shutdown of the HPTA.

Depends on whether it's worth taking that risk.

righto bro .. and back than I didnt care like i do now so what if I was shut down .. i figurad as long as I got big ... plus training along side bros that did compete... and some things hold true .. it was once said to me it dont matter how long you are shut down for what truely matters is can you recover thats the question ......... and than I had none ... well today I do ..... the risks far out way the results .. unless You have your career on this than Yes I would risk 25% natty test production for a pro card LOL... but the sad part is you can get it with out the reduction .....

[stupidhippo]

but does really low dose of non suppressive (or as non as possible) compound really hinder recovery that much.. Im not talking about tapering down cause it is still done traditionally in such a dose that does still suppress. What Im asking is like 5 mg of dbol every day hinder recoveryand if so how much.... I mean some ppl do it and hav had success with it too...

[vitor]

Agreed, obviously this protocol isn't just for the average builder but a competive BB'er might benefit from bridging between heavy androgenic cycles to retain gains although it could lead to permanent shutdown of the HPTA.

Depends on whether it's worth taking that risk.

IMO You will not be able to recover testosterone anywhere near base-line levels levels by cruisnig with Primo, winny , masteron etc. You would probaly restore some natrual testosterone by doing this, but not much...

Remember you wasnt able to recover by using 100mg/day Proviron in PCT, so this would lead to chronic supression in the long run imho.

By the way, one of my first cycles where Primo/winny(I had blood-work in week 7)600 mg Primo ew, 50mg winstrol ed. In week 7 my testosterone levels was 102 ng/dl, I normally lay around 900ng/dl a couple of weeks after finnshing PCT. Recovery was very easy after that mild cycle, though...

[IBdmfkr]

Good info.

[stupidhippo]

IMO You will not be able to recover testosterone anywhere near base-line levels levels by cruisnig with Primo, winny , masteron etc. You would probaly restore some natrual testosterone by doing this, but not much...

Remember you wasnt able to recover by using 100mg/day Proviron in PCT, so this would lead to chronic supression in the long run imho.

By the way, one of my first cycles where Primo/winny(I had blood-work in week 7)600 mg Primo ew, 50mg winstrol ed. In week 7 my testosterone levels was 102 ng/dl, I normally lay around 900ng/dl a couple of weeks after finnshing PCT. Recovery was very easy after that mild cycle, though...

what im curious is winnie with lets say 10 mg or 5 mg a day.. how much would that hinder recovery? It sure could assist in helping to keep the gains... the dose would be so little.. ofcourse winnie 50 mg ED will cause suppression... Im gonna try this myself during the PCT which starts soon. Im gonna do either dbol or winnie with a real low dose and see how it will effect my recovery / gains..

[vitor]

Stupidhippo-hmmm, most of natrual testosterone production happens at night, so if you took the whole dose in the morning, it would have cleard your system by night-time. "Maybe" 5-10mg of oral winstrol taken only in the morning woudnt supress you at all.

Testosterone levels are highest in the morning(as soon as you wake up), so by taking the dosage right after you wake up, I belive it will effect your HPTA to a much lesser degree than taking it later, b/c you wont have any androgens in your system, by the time your biggest natty testosterone output occurs.

[IBdmfkr]

What would be the point of say 10mg of Dbol or Winny? Why not just come off and recover your levels.. I'm talking about an effective dose taken of less suppressive compounds.. ex (800-1200mg/wk Primo) (60-80mg Var). etc

[stupidhippo]

beacause the 10 mg possibly wouldnt hurt the recoveryand it would help to maintain gains... possibly.. .what u are talking about is IMO imppossible.... 2 my understanding even the mildly suppressive compunds with those doses end up at pretty good suppression... not 100 % sure..

[IBdmfkr]

I would think you'd just prolong your recovery by doing so rather than helping to hold gains.. your training intensity/recovery time/and diet will determine how well you hold gains along with how fast your natural test levels bounce back.

For a serious competitive bb'er bridging may be the best alternative although not the smartest or safest thing to do.

[vitor]

10mg d-bol a/day is actually roughly a replacment dose of androgens in a man.

An effective dose would be quite supressive.

[stupidhippo]

10mg d-bol a/day is actually roughly a replacment dose of androgens in a man.

An effective dose would be quite supressive.

i agree.. but test dose equivalent of the replacement dose is very suppressive... but how suppressive is that dose of dbol or winnie? what Ive read not very but havent seen it in any 100% credible text..