Proviron+Nolvadex+HCG During Cycle????

[BGIZZLE8629]

Has anybody ever used Proviron, Nolvadex, and small doses of HCG throughout their cycle????
I am about to do a CYCLE with:

-TEST CYP. @400mg/wk for 10 weeks
-Proviron @25 mg/day-whole way through
-Nolvadex @10mg/day-whole way through

Then, I am going to start my PCT on the 18th day after my last TEST Injection.Taking Nolvadex(10mg/day) for the 17 days prior to my PCT.

PCT:

Nolvadex: 10mg/day for about 25 days (total of 42 days after last inj.)
Clomid: 300mg/day 1
100mg/day: days 2-11
50mg/day: days 12-25

Cylce and PCT look good???

I need to know if taking HCG from weeks 4-5 and again in wks 9-10 @about 500iu/5th day would be ok if I'm taking Proviron and Nolvadex throughout my cycle. I havent seen any info out there on this.
If somebody could help me out I would really appreciate it. Thanks

20yrs, 6 foot, 220, BF=16-18%,

[spywizard]

yep, you have it laid out correctly.. the hcg is during cycle.. you may not need it, but it keeps the testicals from shrinking..

[Swifto]

HCG is excellent whilst "on" and maintains testicular size and function.

I also use it for PCT with Proviron and Nolvadex.

Use the Proviron 50mg/ED for PCT IMHO. Should be in all PCT protocols, too many postives to state!

I'd use HCG 250-500ius every 3 or 4 days during your cycle. Then 500ius/ED for PCT on weekdays, leaving weekends.

Are you prone to estrogen relates sides?

[BGIZZLE8629]

HCG is excellent whilst "on" and maintains testicular size and function.

I also use it for PCT with Proviron and Nolvadex.

Use the Proviron 50mg/ED for PCT IMHO. Should be in all PCT protocols, too many postives to state!

I'd use HCG 250-500ius every 3 or 4 days during your cycle. Then 500ius/ED for PCT on weekdays, leaving weekends.

Are you prone to estrogen relates sides?

well, I think I am just going to go with Nolva and Clomid for my PCT. I dont think I will necessarily need any HCG for PCT if i am taking it during my cycle will I? I heard that using Clomid and HCG can overstimulate LH production which can be more detromental to PCT than it can be positive... I also read that you should not use HCG for more than 3 wk intervals each time. (3 on 3 off). I am confused though b/c I have heard that when using HCG you should only use small doses of it every 3-5days(250-500iu) and then I have also heard that you should use 1500-2500iu every 3-5 days with an initial 2500-5000iu for the initial inj. So I am kinda confused on dosage.

But, are you saying that I should use 250-500ius of HCG every 3rd or 4th day throughout my ENTIRE cycle or just in WKS 3-5 and 9-10??

To be honest I think I developed gyno when I was a teenager due to an imbalance in estrogen to testosterone ratios....So I definately do not want to make it any worse if that is the case. So taking Nolvadex and Proviron during my cycle is kind of a precautionary measure. Thanks for the feedback swift.

[Swifto]

well, I think I am just going to go with Nolva and Clomid for my PCT. I dont think I will necessarily need any HCG for PCT if i am taking it during my cycle will I? I heard that using Clomid and HCG can overstimulate LH production which can be more detromental to PCT than it can be positive... I also read that you should not use HCG for more than 3 wk intervals each time. (3 on 3 off). I am confused though b/c I have heard that when using HCG you should only use small doses of it every 3-5days(250-500iu) and then I have also heard that you should use 1500-2500iu every 3-5 days with an initial 2500-5000iu for the initial inj. So I am kinda confused on dosage.

But, are you saying that I should use 250-500ius of HCG every 3rd or 4th day throughout my ENTIRE cycle or just in WKS 3-5 and 9-10??

To be honest I think I developed gyno when I was a teenager due to an imbalance in estrogen to testosterone ratios....So I definately do not want to make it any worse if that is the case. So taking Nolvadex and Proviron during my cycle is kind of a precautionary measure. Thanks for the feedback swift.

New to me.

Use 250-500ius every 3 or 4 days when "On", for the entire cycle IMHO.

IMO, anything over 1500ius and you may be getting nearer to the boundry of where leydig cell desensitisation may begin to occur. Thats in one single shot.

[marcus300]

To young to consider cycling, at your age you can still make good gains in muscle mass being natural, id concentrate on your diet and drop some BF and increase some mass,

[BGIZZLE8629]

To young to consider cycling, at your age you can still make good gains in muscle mass being natural, id concentrate on your diet and drop some BF and increase some mass,

Thanks for the advice. I haven't really made any good gains in the past year or so being natural and I have had trouble dropping BF% even when dieting so I am kind of inbetween a rock and a hard place.

[briancb1]

Thanks for the advice. I haven't really made any good gains in the past year or so being natural and I have had trouble dropping BF% even when dieting so I am kind of inbetween a rock and a hard place.

If you are really having trouble dropping fat, then you need to re-evaluate your diet and workout routine before you inject. The more fat you have, the more gyno prone you will be, and none of us what you to have gyno.
Most people reccomend 12-14% BF.

Go post your diet and workout with stats and people will tell you what is right or wrong.

good luck

[lifterjaydawg]

good info on HCG and Proviron, bump.