First Cycle Sound Good?

[Tunez]

whats up...I took a 8 week cycle of superdrol back in december of last year...and now I think Im ready to do a novice cycle and I just want your opinions on it....what you think?

1-10 weeks Test-E
1-4 weeks Dbol 30-50mg ed
Nolva on hand

PCT-- Clomid
Clen for just 2 weeks? (I took it in the summer and it leaned me out alot in 2 weeks..and it has anti-catabolic effects ) I want to be very lean like 6-8 BF% after wards and not look sloppy like other kids that I know who did cycles...but that could be just them not knowing how to keep gains..

[Jsik98]

I'm assuming you're running the test at 500mgs/week.....I'd get another bottle and run it for the full 3 months.....Might take up to 6-7 weeks to kick in...that could mean only a few weeks of gains. Those extra few weeks make a difference, especially cause it's really 14 weeks cause you don't start pct until 2 weeks after last shot...Maybe hold off on D-bol for your second cycle. See how you react to the test alone. That's my advice to you brutha...take it or leave it.....But good luck either way

[Kale]

I'm assuming you're running the test at 500mgs/week.....I'd get another bottle and run it for the full 3 months.....Might take up to 6-7 weeks to kick in...that could mean only a few weeks of gains. Those extra few weeks make a difference, especially cause it's really 14 weeks cause you don't start pct until 2 weeks after last shot...Maybe hold off on D-bol for your second cycle. See how you react to the test alone. That's my advice to you brutha...take it or leave it.....But good luck either way

Great advice !! Listen to the man !!!

[Tunez]

Hmm so your saying 12 weeks would be best for 1st?
and yea 500mg per week would be it...

[03SvtCobra]

From my understanding he's definately right. Now that I think about it, it has me questioning my Test E for 10 weeks and Dbol for 1-6 weeks.

[D-Money]

My Vote: 10 weeks. Test E will stay in your system for an extra week anyway.

[Tunez]

yea im gona stick with the 10 weeks of test e at 500mg per week and i am gonna run the dbol for the first 4 weeks before the test kicks in....i see no reason not too...i hear superdrol is more harsh on your liver and i took it for double its recommened cycle....6 weeks instead of the 3...dbol will be fine
thanx for your opinions guys!

[PROTEINSHAKE]

10 or 12weeks will work fine for the first cycle but definitley keep it at 500mg per week(split). I would leave OUT the dbol on the first run & this way you will know how your body responds to test for the next cycles...otherwise you may not know where your gains arre really coming from-test or dbol. good luck

[Hellmaskbanned]

400mgs 10 weeks.

[Swifto]

If your still gaining at week 10, stay "on". Dont exceed 14 weeks though. Any more than that and your pushing it for a first cycle, I feel.

If you want to hold of water retention and look "lean" use an AI. Aromsin 12.5-25mg/ED, Arimidex/L-Dex 0.25-1mg/ED, Proviron 25-50mg/ED. SERM kept on hand.

HCG 125-250 3x per week also.

I also dont feel Clomid, alone, will suffice for PCT. Use HCG 500ius/ED (weekdays) with an AI and SERM if needed.

[Swifto]

I'd also start your Test Enan off dosed between 250-350mg/wk. I think too many start on too higher dose. Bump it to 500mg/wk if gains slow or stop after week 7-9.

[jkilla13]

I'm assuming you're running the test at 500mgs/week.....I'd get another bottle and run it for the full 3 months.....Might take up to 6-7 weeks to kick in...that could mean only a few weeks of gains. Those extra few weeks make a difference, especially cause it's really 14 weeks cause you don't start pct until 2 weeks after last shot...Maybe hold off on D-bol for your second cycle. See how you react to the test alone. That's my advice to you brutha...take it or leave it.....But good luck either way

I could't have said it better myself, if you are set on 10 weeks at least have some extra test on hand that way if you are still making awesome gains at week 10 then you could push it back to 12 and keep making those gains for a couple more weeks. Also I agree with swifto, if one of your main concerns is bloat and staying lean I would run a AI to lessen water retention

[Hellmaskbanned]

[QUOTE=Swifto]I'd also start your Test Enan off dosed between 250-350mg/wk. QUOTE]


To many start off with to high of a dose.

[Tunez]

hmm never heard of running test lower than 400mg a week....how come 500mg a week is too much? just wondering..

[MRRoboto]

If your still gaining at week 10, stay "on". Dont exceed 14 weeks though. Any more than that and your pushing it for a first cycle, I feel.

If you want to hold of water retention and look "lean" use an AI. Aromsin 12.5-25mg/ED, Arimidex/L-Dex 0.25-1mg/ED, Proviron 25-50mg/ED. SERM kept on hand.

HCG 125-250 3x per week also.

I also dont feel Clomid, alone, will suffice for PCT. Use HCG 500ius/ED (weekdays) with an AI and SERM if needed.

HCG 3 times a week for the whole 10 wks? HCG ED for 30 days of PCT? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. I've been looking into HCG lately.

[Swifto]

HCG 3 times a week for the whole 10 wks? HCG ED for 30 days of PCT? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. I've been looking into HCG lately.

Correct.

HCG when "on" to maintain testicular size and function.

Just to note. If your not using an AI during the cycle, HCG can infact further increase estorgen levels.

[Tunez]

so swifto please give me a good pct that would be good for 10 weeks of test e at 500mg per week...and what ai is best beacause one of them causes limp wang..im trying to stay away from that..

[dameter21]

that is the same cycle i wanna run.