Bloodwork results - not good

[Facecrash]

test level 126
LH 1.2

Didn't tell my doc I did juice. She wants me to have an MRI done. Thinks that the low test levels are from pituitary gland not producing enough.

What do you guys thinK?
stats:
27 yrs
training 3.5
5'9.5
188 lbs

2nd cycle was:
500mg test-e 10 weeks
300mg deca 8 weeks

pct:
20 mg nolva weeks 1-3
20 mg aromasin weeks 1-3

reason I stopped pct early is because I spilled my aromasin.

any suggestions?

[theboss]

did you stop taking the nolva or did you run out ??

[Facecrash]

sorry yea I completed the nolva the full 30 days. I have a bottle of clomid right now and I'm waiting on more nolva/aromasin. I was just going to run another pCT but I don't know how to run it.

[Dangerdan]

When did your last cycle finish up?

[Facecrash]

last shot was Sept 1st. Continued winny for 3 weeks after last shot, at which time I started PCT

[stickyrice]

Just Tell The Doc Youre Juicin... They Work For You..if You Dont Like Them Change Doctors

[IBdmfkr]

My Test levels were at 49 after 2months of Clom/Nolva/Proviron.. dropped the proviron and ran another 4wks of Clom/Nolva and things returned to low-normal..

Fact is shutting down your system time after time will eventually lead to HRT in most males.. playing with hormone levels is no joke, so before you do so I'd take these things into consideration.

[Dangerdan]

I also got some low test results about a month ago, I was two months post cycle at the time. My test level came back at 145ish. I was very worried but my test lvls have finally rebounded in the last few weeks. I would give it some time.

[Facecrash]

so should I just chill and get them checked again in a month? Is this MRI really necessary?

[Dangerdan]

I would just chill for now and get retested in like a month.

[jkilla13]

I think that is great bro, with levels that low you can get gh and test legally and free now at hrt clinics. If you have bloodwork proving your low levels, your insurance will cover it and you will be like a kid in a candyshop, they have everything. This same thing happened to one of my friends, they sent him a list of products and prices, I was so jealous.

[Facecrash]

what? how the F can I do this? oh man I need to research that!

[l2elapse]

My Test levels were at 49 after 2months of Clom/Nolva/Proviron.. dropped the proviron and ran another 4wks of Clom/Nolva and things returned to low-normal..

Fact is shutting down your system time after time will eventually lead to HRT in most males.. playing with hormone levels is no joke, so before you do so I'd take these things into consideration.

does that mean every average juicer will be put on HRT?

[IBdmfkr]

It's a possibility over long-term usage or abuse. Yes.

[lbrlbr]

will sust 250 only at 500 mg per week, for 8 weeks shut you down , or because it is test it should be ok, i will still run nolva and clomid as pct?

[boxingbean]

tell ur doc,and ask them, then let us know what he/she says por favor

[Facecrash]

can someone offer advice on how to use this as a means to get free gear? Should I consult oasis?

[fitguy]

It's a possibility over long-term usage or abuse. Yes.

thats too scary bro cause i want to have kids and i have never done blood tests ..

[IBdmfkr]

will sust 250 only at 500 mg per week, for 8 weeks shut you down , or because it is test it should be ok, i will still run nolva and clomid as pct?

Yes, it will shut you down. If you replace the test in your body with synthetic test then how do you figure your body wouldn't stop producing testosterone on it's own.

can someone offer advice on how to use this as a means to get free gear? Should I consult oasis?

They don't just give you free gear genius, either you have to pay for it or your insurance would cover a portion of it.. more than likely a doctor would only prescribe enough to replace your natural levels so you'd have to save up 6months worth of gear to make a cycle.

thats too scary bro cause i want to have kids and i have never done blood tests ..

Well I suggest you get bloodwork done and quit messing with hormones you don't fully understand the consequences too..
People seem to think these drugs are something to be played around with, just because you are doing a drug illegally doesn't mean you shouldn't have regular check-ups and pay close attention to how it's affecting your health.

[STEROIDZZ]

Jkilla i think that was a pretty immature comment when the guy is in need of serious help and answers, telling him thats good that your HRT is low so you can get stuff legally from clinics and free is crap...Regaurdless of insurance your going to pay something.... Facecrash i strongly recoomend you listen to the doctor, they didnt earn there M.D. for no apparent reason... If she thinks a MRI is neccessary then it is, although you might not agree, having this test could help you in the long run... Most importantly i believe you should TELL the doctor about your cycle, or cycles... as stated above cycles over time will effect your hormone levels dramatically.... this information could also help your doctor, and maybe that MRI wont be neccessary once this information is revealed.... Goodluck and i hope things work for you

[IBdmfkr]

I would disagree about presenting information about rec drug usage to your doctor. It can and will go on your medical record which in turn could result in you not being able to get health insurance or being dropped by your insurance provider. Seen it happen.

[fitguy]

Well I suggest you get bloodwork done and quit messing with hormones you don't fully understand the consequences too..
People seem to think these drugs are something to be played around with, just because you are doing a drug illegally doesn't mean you shouldn't have regular check-ups and pay close attention to how it's affecting your health.[/QUOTE]
i have researched for a long time before steroid use and i know its risks and consequences but i thought with proper pct everything will be ok but seems that this might not work for some ,i didnt suffer any low test levels before and thats why i didnt do blood tests as it is so expensive here ..peace .

[STEROIDZZ]

I**mfkr- I agree with your information but the reason I stated what I did was because if my body is messing up speically with something as serious as your hormonal levels, I believe health is your #1 priority, and the doctor should know regaurdless of health insurance problem that MIGHT not even occur. Ill state what was stated above.... quit messing around with hormones that you dont understand the consequences too... well stated Fitguy...


Everyone always emphais's on the importance of your health on this thread, which I fully agree with... well here is a situation where your health should be your # priority......If your ready to use AA's then you should be ready for the consequcnes of AA's ...

[IBdmfkr]

i have researched for a long time before steroid use and i know its risks and consequences but i thought with proper pct everything will be ok but seems that this might not work for some ,i didnt suffer any low test levels before and thats why i didnt do blood tests as it is so expensive here ..peace .

Check out www.directlabs.com cheap bloodwork and it's discrete. 200$ for male comprehensive and Test levels I believe.

[vitor]

I think how you are able to recover testosterone production varies from individual to individual...I did my first cycle at 18, and my natty test are higher now at age 24 than they have ever been b/f, (probaly because I use aromatase inhibitors between cycles...)

Anyway, I am convinced that Deca(like you where running)is the most dangerous aas to use, as far as recovery goes. There is a reasen why Nadrolone can be detected in your system in a drug Test for roughly 18 months after you come off it. Alomost all the guys who post about recovery problems on AR, used deca.

If I had Deca I would rather flush that crap down the toilet rather than let it go thrue my system!

[goose]

I think how you are able to recover testosterone production varies from individual to individual...I did my first cycle at 18, and my natty test are higher now at age 24 than they have ever been b/f, (probaly because I use aromatase inhibitors between cycles...)

Anyway, I am convinced that Deca(like you where running)is the most dangerous aas to use, as far as recovery goes. There is a reasen why Nadrolone can be detected in your system in a drug Test for roughly 18 months after you come off it. Alomost all the guys who post about recovery problems on AR, used deca.

If I had Deca I would rather flush that crap down the toilet rather than let it go thrue my system!

Have to agree here.I only use short esters now,it`s much more healthy.

[Facecrash]

thanks for the advice I got the MRI done this morning. Awaiting results. Also yea I am going to avoid using deca if I decide to cycle again in the future. First things first, need to get my balls straightened out.

Anyone have any reason why I have ridiculously low levels but I have wood 24/7 and slammed my girlfriend so bad last night/this morning that our bedroom looked like a scene from American Psycho?

[Andros]

It's a possibility over long-term usage or abuse. Yes.

Thats worrying, do you have any statistics on this? How many pro bodybuilders have needed HRT after they retired?

[Andros]

thanks for the advice I got the MRI done this morning. Awaiting results. Also yea I am going to avoid using deca if I decide to cycle again in the future. First things first, need to get my balls straightened out.

Anyone have any reason why I have ridiculously low levels but I have wood 24/7 and slammed my girlfriend so bad last night/this morning that our bedroom looked like a scene from American Psycho?

Whats your estro levels like? I think if the ratio is good and your test not too low then your libido will be ok. Or maybe your just a beast

[IBdmfkr]

Thats worrying, do you have any statistics on this? How many pro bodybuilders have needed HRT after they retired?

Statistics on bodybuilders? lol There aren't any studies done on bodybuilders other than the ones that we do on ourselves.

Probodybuilders that are on HRT? I don't know them personally so how would anyone know except their doctor/close friends/family.

Many people who are not Probodybuilders are on HRT because of anabolic abuse, I know of a handful here locally. You don't have to do "Pro" dosages to screw yourself up. Also I'm sure some people on the boards do more per cycle than some Pro's do, the only difference is the Pro's have much better genetics.

[Andros]

Statistics on bodybuilders? lol There aren't any studies done on bodybuilders other than the ones that we do on ourselves.

Probodybuilders that are on HRT? I don't know them personally so how would anyone know except their doctor/close friends/family.

Many people who are not Probodybuilders are on HRT because of anabolic abuse, I know of a handful here locally. You don't have to do "Pro" dosages to screw yourself up. Also I'm sure some people on the boards do more per cycle than some Pro's do, the only difference is the Pro's have much better genetics.

Well I asked just in case you knew. If you cycle responsibly and do good PCT is this fate also inevitable or can you potentially have good Natty Test even after 20yrs of cycling?

[IBdmfkr]

I'll let you know in another 15yrs

[vitor]

After age of 40, testosterone levels is going to take a huge dive anyway. IMO It would be no disaster to have to go on HRT then...Trying to keep up LBM and strenght gains once you get older with "low" hormone levels cant be done.

I hope to be on a HRT program in another 15 years.

[Facecrash]

I have some Clomid and letro. do you guys suggest I run the clomid 100mg for the next 30 days on its own? Should I run the letro with it? at what mg? I'm just fkn confused at this point and just want to get levels back to norm.

Also, with tongkat, how should I run that and what does it do?

thanks yo