dbol bloat and nolva?

[mousetraps]

Hey guys,

It's been a while. I got a simple question for ya. Dianabol is notorius for bringing about immediate water weight gains, but when taken concurrently with nolvadex , how does it fare?

wks 1-4: Dbol 30mg/d
wks 1-12: Test E 500 mg/wk
wks 1-16: nolva 40mgs/d

will the nolva suffocate the immediate effects of the dianabol? Will I even see the bloat that everyone talks about? Thanks!

[JohnboyF]

In short.. nolva wont help with the water reten from dbol ...

A good diet can help but i would use Arimidex at .25-.5mg ed just my .2

[HORSE~]

The nolva at 40 mg a day thru out your cycle is not something I would do....

Like Faiz said armidex/l-dex ran at .25 to .5 would do a much better job IMO.......

[spiderman405]

I like letrozole myself

[nwbhl]

i believe that on dbol your gonna bloat no matter what u do honestly. get ready to blow up like a balloon.

[HORSE~]

i believe that on dbol your gonna bloat no matter what u do honestly. get ready to blow up like a balloon.

I dont........

Honestly I bloat more off of test than dbol ....

[Iron-man]

I like letrozole myself

So does the Letro work good with d-bol????
Anyone else have experience with this combo???

[skipp]

letro works good with everything but your sex drive

[fLgAtOr]

Yes, letro will work well. Arimidex will also work well.

[fLgAtOr]

letro works good with everything but your sex drive

All in the dosage my friend.

[shifty_git]

All in the dosage my friend.

2nd this

0.25mg dont kill off most peoples - 2.5mg to reverse gyno mite though

[skipp]

eh.. .25 ed and i got nuthin.

and it slammed down 1 week after i started.

[skipp]

that's okay though, the half gram of test make up for that

[fLgAtOr]

eh.. .25 ed and i got nuthin.

and it slammed down 1 week after i started.

Fair enough. BUt I'm gonna guess that you're not really prone to estro side effects???

If you were, then there would probably still be estro floating around, keeping your sex drive functioning.

Am I right?

[fLgAtOr]

that's okay though, the half gram of test make up for that

Oh well no shit...I though you were saying ON cycle!

[skipp]

Fair enough. BUt I'm gonna guess that you're not really prone to estro side effects???

If you were, then there would probably still be estro floating around, keeping your sex drive functioning.

Am I right?

i actually bloat and get gyno easy.. so i dunno. i guess my whole body is just sensitive


lol

[fLgAtOr]

i actually bloat and get gyno easy.. so i dunno. i guess my whole body is just sensitive


lol

Aww...that's ok sweetie.

Dude, I understand...My nips are itching just thinking about it.

[Iron-man]

All in the dosage my friend.

In my current cycle of 500mg wk (test-e) I was getting a good amount of bloat with about .75 mg ed L-dex. In my next cycle next year, I'll be using test-500mg wk & deca 400 mg wk.
To further reduce bloat, I want to use Letro instead of L-dex (I'm thinking of .25 mg ed, maybe more).
Question: Will the 500 mg test-e be enough to keep sexual function running
properly considering the the use of Letro & deca???

[fLgAtOr]

In my current cycle of 500mg wk (test-e) I was getting a good amount of bloat with about .75 mg ed L-dex. In my next cycle next year, I'll be using test-500mg wk & deca 400 mg wk.
To further reduce bloat, I want to use Letro instead of L-dex (I'm thinking of .25 mg ed, maybe more).
Question: Will the 500 mg test-e be enough to keep sexual function running
properly considering the the use of Letro & deca???

I don't see why not.

sexual function is dependent on a lot of things. Deca shuts your natty test down right? So taking just about ANY amound of test above 150-200 mg EW should be fine to maintain normal function.

Letro will stop Ironman Jr from working for different reasons. Your body needs estro to function properly (get hard). Letro can drop it sooo low that it messes up normal sexual function (as well as lipids, immune system, etc).

Now, when it comes to people taking LARGE amounts on 19-nors and getting sexual disfunction even with test...That gets into things that i don't know a whole lot about...Something to do with large amounts of pregesterone ro soemthing...

[mousetraps]

ahemmm.... my thread? just kidding.


Yea, the 40mg of nolva is a bit much, but i want to make sure i dont get titties, i'm pretty prone to that. Also, done letro before, and sex drive wasnt affected whatsoever... in fact, thinking about the possibility of no sex drive... only made me think of sex more...

[mousetraps]

so, anyways, just wanted to make sure that my nolva wouldnt cancel out the "kickstart" effect of the dbol ... being that it's gonna be lots of water weight... comments?

[fLgAtOr]

so, anyways, just wanted to make sure that my nolva wouldnt cancel out the "kickstart" effect of the dbol... being that it's gonna be lots of water weight... comments?

Oh so you want bloat?

[Andros]

Oh so you want bloat?

I think he wants lots of water in his muscles and little or no water under his skin.

[RobbieG]

Aromasin -> A.I.

W O R K S

period.

[Iron-man]

Aromasin -> A.I.

W O R K S

period.

Better than either adex/ldex or Letro??
What about sides with Aromasin?

[mousetraps]

no no hahahaHA! I don't WANT bloat.... i'm just wondering if ALL dbol is going to give me is bloat.... hence the nolvadex cancels it... cancelling the whole "kickstart" effect... or does dbol give you a "kickstart" effect of lean mass when taken with nolva?

[mousetraps]

I think he wants lots of water in his muscles and little or no water under his skin.

YES! BEEEEEEEFCAKE!!!

[Iron-man]

no no hahahaHA! I don't WANT bloat.... i'm just wondering if ALL dbol is going to give me is bloat.... hence the nolvadex cancels it... cancelling the whole "kickstart" effect... or does dbol give you a "kickstart" effect of lean mass when taken with nolva?

I am almost 100% sure that the lean mass kick start will still happen without the bloat. It would be the same as doing an entire cycle using an AI to stop bloating, but yet you still will get the lean gains. Also, as you already know, any bloat goes away when the cycle is over anyway. My next cycle will have a kick start with dbol & using either L-dex or Letro to control bloat. For you, the Ldex should be enough to stop bloat & gyno as it blocks the test from converting to estrogen. Letro does an even better job, but can have sides.

I am also thinking of changing out the dbol for Adrol. From what I see the Adrol will do even more than the dbol, but again I want to control the bloat. My concern is that the Adrol is worse on sides, which I am researching at this time.
Here is the thread I start last night Anadrol or Dbol for kick start????

PS, sorry about the little h/j. My question seemed close enough to your original post (bloat part) that any answers could benefit you as well .

[fLgAtOr]

no no hahahaHA! I don't WANT bloat.... i'm just wondering if ALL dbol is going to give me is bloat.... hence the nolvadex cancels it... cancelling the whole "kickstart" effect... or does dbol give you a "kickstart" effect of lean mass when taken with nolva?

lol...Again, no the nolva or adex wont cancel out the effect of dbol . Adex is stil the better choice between the two becuase it will reduce the "water under your skin."

[skipp]

Yeah I'd go with a mild dose of an AI, .25 of letro, .50 of adex, or 20mg of aroma. better than nolva, and anyways i think the difference between 20mg and 40mg of nolva isn't 100%, it doesnt work like that. 10mg of nolva and you get the majority of its effects.

[Iron-man]

[james21]

Hey guys,

It's been a while. I got a simple question for ya. Dianabol is notorius for bringing about immediate water weight gains, but when taken concurrently with nolvadex , how does it fare?

wks 1-4: Dbol 30mg/d
wks 1-12: Test E 500 mg/wk
wks 1-16: nolva 40mgs/d

will the nolva suffocate the immediate effects of the dianabol? Will I even see the bloat that everyone talks about? Thanks!

You need something like adex or letro bro.... only things thatll kill bloat nolva wont do sh!t

[mousetraps]

ok well, i dont want under the skin bloat... wait... someone define bloat? is it in the muscles? cuz thatd be fine.... but subcontaneous wouldnt...

[mousetraps]

bumpity

[Iron-man]

ok well, i dont want under the skin bloat... wait... someone define bloat? is it in the muscles? cuz thatd be fine.... but subcontaneous wouldnt...

The bloat is some of both. But for the most part when bloat is discussed, it relates to the "puffy look" that one gets from dbol , test, etc...When using the L-dex, etc... (not nolva) I believe you'll still have that constant pumped look/feeling without too much water under the skin (puffy look). At least this has been the case with myself.

[mousetraps]

From what I understand, Nolvadex will take care of the estrogen induced water under the skin from the dbol .. I guess what I'm asking is: Are there other mechanisms by which dbol causes bloat? Other than via estrogen? I've read something about the potassium/sodium balance... would that be under the skin water? would nolva have an effect on this?

Thanks!!

[mousetraps]

P.S. Day 4, and no bloat so far.

[fLgAtOr]

From what I understand, Nolvadex will take care of the estrogen induced water under the skin from the dbol.. I guess what I'm asking is: Are there other mechanisms by which dbol causes bloat? Other than via estrogen? I've read something about the potassium/sodium balance... would that be under the skin water? would nolva have an effect on this?

Thanks!!

And how does it do that?

[mousetraps]

at http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-dianabol.asp it won't let me copy and paste it since its a .asp file. The second paragraph under "how to cycle dianabol ".




thanks!!

[fLgAtOr]

at http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-dianabol.asp it won't let me copy and paste it since its a .asp file. The second paragraph under "how to cycle dianabol ".




thanks!!

That article does not say how Nolva would reduce bloat...Just that it does..And that is incorrect.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the article contains outdated info. Nolvadex does not inhibit aromatization...It MIGHT be able to prevent gyno, becuase it binds to the estro receptor in breat tissue. However, there is still estro floating around which will cuase bloating (as well as gyno in some).

So why don't you do what EVERYONE in this thread has told you to do-GET ADEX!!!!!!!
Cool?