EQ /Test for 20wks?

**chris3737zz** · 11-03-2006, 02:19 PM

What do you think about 20 weeks on Test @ 300mg PW and EQ @ 600mg PW? Would HCG be necessary mid-cycle? Would blood pressure be a problem? Would there still be very little bloat given the amount of test for that long? Thanks for the input!

I have done three cycles in the past including various combinations of test, tren , eq, and t3. I am 22, 5'8, 210lbs. @ 15%bf. I will be cutting over the next three months naturally. I plan to be sub-10% when I start the cycle.

My last experience on AAS was 10wks. of Test @ 500PW and EQ @ 400PW. I enjoyed it very much and had very little sides. I'm thinking of this cycle now because I would like to try a long cycle with little sides. I would prefer Primo, but can't afford it. Originally, I was just thinking of running enough test to replace my natural test once HTPA is inhibited. Since my source carries test @ 300mg/ml, I figured I would just run it @ 1ml per week.

**donopat** · 11-03-2006, 02:27 PM

definitely hcg post cycle before the pct. keep it around if you shrink do it for a few weeks in the middle. and at the end. that is one theory i heard.

than the other see,ms to be doing 250iu's every third day during the cycle toprevent shrickage altogether.

i will not use more than 5-600 mg's of test a week, so i haven't had a problem the last few cycles.

pattyd

**chris3737zz** · 11-03-2006, 02:50 PM

Thanks for the input! How long have you run those cycles with 5-600mg of test? have you run any with less test, closer to 300mg? And if so, did you have any water retention?

**timtim** · 11-03-2006, 06:16 PM

i do 20 week cycles and never need hcg as my balls NEVER shrink. the only time i had shrinkage was from deca . and my pct and recovery are always easy and quick.

**kloter1** · 11-03-2006, 07:10 PM

im actually starting test 300mg/wk with eq 400mg/wk. we'll see how it goes. im planning on using hcg throughout.

**chris3737zz** · 11-05-2006, 08:43 AM

HCG throughout? That seems like way too long to me. I thought that HCG could be overdone and do more harm than good.

Timtim- Do you use test on those cycles? If so, at what doses? What I'm really concerned about is too much water retention b/c this is a lean bulker. Also, I don't want to be taking 17aas (nolva) for 20 weeks.

**dr_skier** · 11-05-2006, 02:26 PM

i'm also thinking a similar low dose cycle like this for the summer months.. like test 300/eq500/wk....

i was gonna throw in 6weeks of var to get the long ester party started though

**hemidog66** · 11-05-2006, 02:38 PM

why would you want to do less test ew then eq? if bloat is your concern just use nova or l-dex you want have to worry about bloat. Also if you are cutting before you start I can only assume you will be trying to add weight when you start, therefore I would invite the water you may hold if I were you.It certainly wont hurt you in anyway.

**chris3737zz** · 11-05-2006, 05:51 PM

Well, I'm going for a lean bulker. Remember this initially was a test-free cycle, with just enough to replace natural test during inhibition. I do not see the point of being bloated when you'll lose it post-cycle anyways. I realize that water retention increases strength which may translate into slighlty more muscle over the length of a cycle, but IMO it's not worth it. Also, I know that the human body builds resistance to any drug and when I'm 40 I don't want to have to use extreme amounts of test just to have the effect of the little amount of natural test I had when I was 20. As for nolva or dex, again, I don't want to spend 20 weeks on 17aas.

**dr_skier** · 11-05-2006, 06:38 PM

I share your same notion. I am an endo and i blaot off of test very easily. Even with a proper AI. When I run a similar cycle my 300mg/wk test will be in there soley as a sex hormone replacement to insure a healthy, functioning sex drive.

**Benches505** · 11-05-2006, 06:42 PM

I've done long cycles and found the results started tapering off between weeks 12-14. That long cycle also shut me down hard and it took me damn near 6 months to fully recover

**shrpskn** · 11-05-2006, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by chris3737zz

As for nolva or dex, again, I don't want to spend 20 weeks on 17aas.

Nolva and/or adex are not 17aa steroids ...they are not even steroids to begin with...I'd educate myself on that issue if I was you.

-ShrpSkn

**chris3737zz** · 11-05-2006, 10:03 PM

Obviously they are not steroids . 17-alpha-alkylation is a structural alteration that allows a medication to withstand degradation in the liver and makes them orally available. As such, it is possible for non-steroids to be 17aa. I have been told, although I have not actually read any articles saying so, that nolva is 17aa to make it orally available.

**cleared4theoption** · 11-05-2006, 11:15 PM

Sounds like a pretty long cycle to me. Interested to see how it turns out.

**hardgainer1** · 11-06-2006, 10:55 AM

conventional wisdom says you should run test at a higher dose than EQ, Am I wrong?

**V_Vandetta** · 11-06-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by shrpskn

Nolva and/or adex are not 17aa steroids ...they are not even steroids to begin with...I'd educate myself on that issue if I was you.

-ShrpSkn

Amen ... I think more research is needed if One thinks Adex and nolva are a 17aa.... So my advise would be the same bro please research .. much much more

**shrpskn** · 11-06-2006, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by chris3737zz

Obviously they are not steroids. 17-alpha-alkylation is a structural alteration that allows a medication to withstand degradation in the liver and makes them orally available. As such, it is possible for non-steroids to be 17aa. I have been told, although I have not actually read any articles saying so, that nolva is 17aa to make it orally available.

So would you say that when I take orally applicable ibuprofen for a headache, that it is 17aa just because it's an oral?

Whoever told you that nolva is 17aa is seriously wrong.

I see you've been a member here since 2002...you should know something like this by now...at least I'd like to think so.

-Shrpskn

**chris3737zz** · 11-06-2006, 02:41 PM

You should learn how to read before you post. I did not say that because nolva is oral that it is 17aa. And yes, ibuprofen COULD be structured in such a manner as to make it 17aa. I know very much about AAS and the like. I did hear that nolva is 17aa and I did not research it further by looking to medical journals. I would be curious to see how many medical articles you have read through as opposed to taking board members' words on face.

**Mesomorphyl** · 11-06-2006, 03:01 PM

First, I did one long cycle... I liked it. good doses though I would add some tren in there somewhere. I would hit hcg in the middle at 1500-2500 iu every fourth day for 3-4 injections then wait until the end for 1000iu ed for 10 days leading into clomid(pct).

Nolva is not 17aa.