clen vs ephedra

**vstarjewel** · 11-04-2006, 08:07 AM

Ok, I posted this in the women's area, but want a general consensus kinda answer . . .

I've taken ephedra in the past with fairly good results. No side effects, and although I've lost weight in the past I find it isn't doing a whole lot for me now. I only have 20 or 25 lbs to lose, and was reading about clenbuterol . What I was wondering is if anyone out there has tried both, and if so, what were the differences?

BTW, love the forum, too cool . . .

**goose** · 11-04-2006, 08:11 AM

I have used both,and must say I`m not a fan of them.

ephedra = more energy and I found it surpreses your appetite more.

Clen = I found better weight loss with more sides,yet still mild in the short term.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 11-04-2006, 08:16 AM

I would agree with Goose. I find ephedrine great for powering through a tiring workout but not so good for fat loss due to it's short half life (it is not active for long and cant be dosed at night as it would keep me awake). Clen has longer half life and remains active day and night which I feel is much better for fat loss. Not everyone responds well to clen though. Check my clen FAQ in my signature.

**vstarjewel** · 11-04-2006, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Check my clen FAQ in my signature.

I did, TONS of awesome info. Very kind of you to share with us Newbies

I agree the ephedra can get ya movin, and does help on those slow days. Problem is that my metabolism is rock-bottom-moving-backwards slow. No problems with thyroid, sugar levels, heart, etc, just my genetic makeup. I thought the clen might be a good alterative as it is suppose to increase your metabolism . . . ?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 11-04-2006, 10:11 AM

If your metabolism is slow then check your diet. Eat 5-6 small meals spaced throughout the day. Maybe post diet in the diet forum for critique.
Bottom line is if you respond to clen it will help you lose fat in conjuction with a good diet.

**vstarjewel** · 11-04-2006, 10:33 AM

That's the next thing I have to do - go and check out some of the suggestions for diet and exercising. I've got kids, work full time, and it gets hectic sometimes - maybe I can find some gems to follow.

**ghoul000** · 11-04-2006, 10:42 AM

Ephedra does only exactly what you felt. Its not a cutting agent. It`s an appetite suppressant. Its great for energy but your body adapts to it very fast. So need to cycle on and off. I use to take ephedra all the time. Even after I was done the metabolism suffered. Try taking some Papaya Enzyme, follow instructions just do not take with dairy. Clen seems to work better if your body fat is somewhat low.

**vstarjewel** · 11-04-2006, 11:18 AM

So my next ? - I ordered the clen combo from AR-R , but I'm wondering what a good starting amt is. Beast posted on his thread 60 mcg, but I'm only 5 feet tall and 130 lbs. I'm thinking any more than 20 would put me into orbit. Any thoughts?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 11-04-2006, 11:38 AM

you could start at 20mcg to be cautious and work your way up from there. Good luck!

**vstarjewel** · 11-04-2006, 12:03 PM

Thanx Beast!

**ghoul000** · 11-04-2006, 12:42 PM

Read the profile on the drug your takeing! You start at 20, up it everyday by 20 until you cannot handle the side effects, then drop it by 20. Each spray is 20 mcgs b4 u ask... You can get a 60ml 200mcg/ml for $45 btw from another sight.

**cfiler** · 11-04-2006, 02:58 PM

I'm on clen right now, and it's awesome.

I definately prefer clen over eca. I love that fruit punch flavor.

**ghoul000** · 11-04-2006, 06:07 PM

haha its like Candy, yum yum, give me more...ah my heart stopped, couple more sprays I guess, ah there it goes.

So wrong of me, just playing.

**ascendant** · 11-05-2006, 01:00 AM

well for starters, if you're comparing just ephedra alone to clen alone, clen is the stronger of the two, and contrary to popular belief, is just as safe as ephedra, if not safer. now if you were doing an ECA stack, clen and ECA are very comparable as far as results, but it's very individualized. personally, clen is far more effective for me than an ECA stack, and clen gives me virtually no sides other than some shakiness in my hands.

as far as 20mcg and upping by another 20mcg each day, don't up your limit too much on your first go-around with it. i'd say about 120mcg at most. also, on your first time with clen, may only want to up your dose every other day until you see how your body reacts to it. with a half-life of 36hrs, you don't want to be stuck with an adverse reaction on a high dose.

**vstarjewel** · 11-05-2006, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by ascendant

Now if you were doing an ECA stack, clen and ECA are very comparable as far as results, but it's very individualized.

Ok, umm, stupid question, and please forgive me for asking, but what exactly is an ECA stack?

with a half-life of 36hrs, you don't want to be stuck with an adverse reaction on a high dose.

What do you mean by a "half life?" I've seen the term used around, and I'm finally being brave and asking what it means

Also I am totally assuming that one DOES NOT take ephedra and clen together . . .? That sounds like a mix for disaster?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 11-05-2006, 10:13 AM

ECA = Ephedrine,caffiene,aspirin. A very synergistic weight loss combo.

Half life is the ammount of time the drug is active in the body. If it has a half life of 6 hours then in six hours its potency would have halved. The longer the half life the less times you have to dose it to keep consistant levels.

I would not reccomend taking clen ,ECA together although I have when feeling shit on leg day!

**pit_bully** · 11-05-2006, 10:47 AM

Both work for me but, the ephedra/caffine/asprin ECA stack works better for me cause I have to force myself to eat. I have NO appitite whatsoever on it. So to drop weight it works great for me cause all I seem to be able to force down is protien shakes. Yes I know real food is better but protien shakes keep my muscle from diminishing on the stack. Clen is cool with me too but,the jitters kind of suck when Im trying to sleep and the bed is shaking from my heart beating with a sledge hammer type force. I can actually feel the bed shake. It doesnt bother me while im up in the day or working out etc. Just when I try and sleep.

**ghoul000** · 11-05-2006, 11:25 AM

you takeing the clen too late in the day and possible dosage is too high. I can take the clen and pass out after.

**ascendant** · 11-05-2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by ghoul000

you takeing the clen too late in the day and possible dosage is too high. I can take the clen and pass out after.

same here. i agree that the dosage is simply way too high if you're actually making your bed shake from your heartbeat!

**pit_bully** · 11-05-2006, 12:20 PM

Yeah I lowered my max dose to 100mcg per day and that works fine then. But after 2 days on I could go to 160mcg and bearly feel it. BTW if the halflife of clen is 36 hours I dont really think it would matter when I took it but for everyones info I take it all 1st thing in the am.

**ascendant** · 11-05-2006, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by pit_bully

Yeah I lowered my max dose to 100mcg per day and that works fine then. But after 2 days on I could go to 160mcg and bearly feel it. BTW if the halflife of clen is 36 hours I dont really think it would matter when I took it but for everyones info I take it all 1st thing in the am.

well for starters, i don't think your heart beating so hard it shakes your bed and keeps you up would be considered "barely feeling it". not sure what kind of sides you're looking for that you could "barely feel" at 160mcg, but your heart beating that hard is sure as hell more than enough to be considered an excessive dose. also, jumping up to 160mcg after 2 days is ridiculous. if you actually took the stuff the way you're supposed to and upped your dose sensibly, you wouldn't have the sides you do with it. did you ever check your bp while on the clen at 160mcg? if you ever do it again, i'd strongly advise not taking that much next time and ramping up much slower, as you're just asking for cardiac arrest.

as far as your remark about clens half-life, there is an initial adaptation period when you take your dose of clen, so there certainly is reasoning to taking it earlier in the day. though it's half-life may be 36hrs, it's effects are strongest for the next few hours after taking it. your body just eventually adjusts to the new level of stimulus (at least to an extent).