Interesting thought! want the pro's opinion&knowledge on this!!

**davidinvienna** · 11-04-2006, 12:52 PM

Hey gents!

as already mentioned in my last thread bout oral compounds I have to postpone my planned 1st cycle due to a lot of cross EU border travels. During my research I have come up with an interesting thought .... it may be total nonsense - so please dont go rippin my head off since I am a novice to all this - nevertheless I would like to hear bout your views, comments and expertise on this .... especially from the Pro's amongst you.

So here's what it is all about:

Apparently the common AI's like Aromasin and Arimidex have the ability to reduce estrogen by approx 85% therfore alone already positively increasing the Test/Estro balance in the body while possibly even increasin Test Levels itself.
Does that mean that even while not on AAS one could use AI's to reduce Estro levels therfore increasing the free Test in order to train at a higher intensity? If yes, how safe would that be in terms of sides, how long could you run a protocoll like that and is there/how much of a risk of a "nasty" Estro rebound once you come off???

Like said just an idea so I d really appreciate your input and advice! I m sure I am not the 1st to come up with that idea so any "hands on" experince from those of you who have tried that in the past is a great bonus info!

Thx for your time guys.

**davidinvienna** · 11-04-2006, 01:10 PM

c'mon guys - really need your feedback on this!

**vitor** · 11-04-2006, 01:19 PM

Yes.

You can use an aromatase inhibitor which will increase your natty testosterone levels and decrease estrogen levels. I am doing this right now, and its defently been a big atvantage between cycles.

When you lower your estrogen levels, the HPTA will start to produce more testosterone , b/c the testosterone-estrogen ratio is supossed to be in a certain balance.

**davidinvienna** · 11-04-2006, 01:44 PM

thx Vitor mate! so how long can I run an AI by itself without runnin the risk of an Estro rebound when comin off?

**davidinvienna** · 11-04-2006, 02:19 PM

anyone else??

**cfiler** · 11-04-2006, 02:25 PM

Yup, you can run a AI by itelf, and have those benefits.

I haven't run it personally yet (outside of PCT) but the practical application outside of a cycle look promising. I'm planning on running an AI while off cycle this winter during a bulk.

**shrpskn** · 11-04-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by davidinvienna

thx Vitor mate! so how long can I run an AI by itself without runnin the risk of an Estro rebound when comin off?

Depending an what AI you use, you can suppress estrogen all together, thus preventing any kind of rebound effect.

Now some may say that certain levels of estrogen is beneficial, and I agree. To some people and to some extent it is.
I, on the other hand, don't care for increased levels of this female hormone in my body. And the difference in past cycles, when high levels of estrogen would be present in the body with the use of something like nolva(which works to suppress estrogenic sides, but does not inhibit estrogen production) and cycles today, in which I usually incorporate the use of proviron to inhibit estrogen production all together; gains and success with my cycles has been no different.
As long as I bring my HPTA back to a stable state of natty test production by PCT's end, there is no rebound effect with the estrogen.
So IMO, down with the estrogen and up with the test.

-ShrpSkn

**davidinvienna** · 11-04-2006, 04:47 PM

thx guys for ur input so far! so what u recommend - go for aromasin or proviron and then at what dose for what length of time??

**shrpskn** · 11-04-2006, 05:02 PM

I run proviron @ 50mg/ed from beginning of cycle to end of PCT.

I like the synergistic effects it appears to have with other gear in the stack and the AI properties it carries throughout the cycle and PCT...not to mention the increase in libido that it has as well.

-ShrpSkn

**davidinvienna** · 11-04-2006, 05:25 PM

the question is rather which AI's would be beneficial to run on their own while not on any AA's in order to reduce estrogen levels and possible increase the amount of free testosterone in the body or even to raise natural test production itself?

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 11-04-2006, 05:38 PM

i dont consider myself a pro, but i have done this. All i will say is running AI's off cycle can just give you a dryer look, at best. Increased strenght and mass was not noticable. Joint aches are more common.

I would not use Aromasin for this. Its TOO strong. It may lower estrogen to low and you will not better anything. Estrogen is needed for glycogen strorage and has nueromusular benfits also. So strengh may suffer.

If going to do it use arimidex (anastrozole). It wont lower estro as much, therfore it wont hurt strentgh as much....maybe. Plus adex has been used to raise T levels in hypogonadal men, and healthy men. You need the 1mg dose a belive to raise T.

if cutting i have gotten a dry look from adex. and a razer sharp look from letro. letro penatrates fat cells better and therfore may suitr that purpose better. Letro is also as strong as aromasin, imo stronger.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 11-04-2006, 05:41 PM

just watch your lipids on that stuff. my lil bro had a 300 cholesterol reading from letro.

adex wont give you a rebound. letro will. aromasin , might.

**shrpskn** · 11-04-2006, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by davidinvienna

the question is rather which AI's would be beneficial to run on their own while not on any AA's in order to reduce estrogen levels and possible increase the amount of free testosterone in the body or even to raise natural test production itself?

Proviron will do this...read up into some info on this stuff. It may be the answer to your question.

-ShrpSkn

**davidinvienna** · 11-04-2006, 05:57 PM

wow - there s sum real good info there from you guys ... thx, that s great!! so i guess adex and/or proviron are the way to go on this - sounds good to me