After my first cycle, I vowed never to do another! Hahahaha. melting pt question too

**carpediemguy08** · 11-04-2006, 10:13 PM

I ran 500mg/Test E for 8 wks back in March. Ohhh god, I just feel like cumming just thinking about how nice it was. (My question is at the bottom in bold + underlined)

Goddamn that was nice, oohh damn. Anyways, as I once learned the dangers of orals vs injectables, this time I have decided to go oral:

Superdrol (Oxodrol-12)

Going to run it

12/24/24

In addition to running Cycle Support (So much nicer than downing tons of pills) before/during/post

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/1...e_support.html cheap!
http://www.anabolicinnovations.com/cycle_support write up

PCT will be standard as it was for my Test cycle (ohhh god that was nice. [I just came from that, haha] Gained 20 lbs in those 8 wks, kept pretty much all of it)...but this time I realized, why gain 20 lbs in 8 wks when I can...do 8-20 in...three?

Going to run:
Clomid 150mg day 1, 100mg wk 1, 75 or 50 mg wk 2
Nolva 40/40/20/20

So it hit me, I bought enough for 4 SD cycles and wha la, I'm back here.

I was actually considering doing things differently, last time I started my cycle at 17.1% BF, this time I'm at 15-16% (again, bleh).

I was wanting to take Designer Supplement's Melting Point for a period of 3-4 weeks before running the SD cycle in mid/late december. DS says MP is great for bulking to cut down on fat gain during the bulk (in addition to a great cutter), but I hear that TTA is not that great for being ON.

So I ask you, should i run the Melting Point (TTA) for 3-4 weeks, then run the SD? Run them at the same time next month? I'd like to lose some bf% (15-16%) before, because as many of you say, a cycle with high bf % is pretty much wasted.

How long does TTA stay in your body, if it *does* interfere with being ON? How long should I wait?

I'm going to a little bit of modeling for A&F in the spring, and was hoping to be cut up by then, but I'm bulking for now?

I can do:

1 month natty on MP (and wait till the TTA leaves my body? how long?) + 3 wks SD + 1 mo. PCT + 1 mo EBOL (to regain the strength, the new logs look GREAT for it, the MP logs look GREAT too. been researching those two hardcore for a while)

or

Melting point while on SD?

or SD, then 1 month pct, then 1 month MP?

I haven't been in the gear game in a while, so I figured that I would ask for your expert opinions.

In any case, by Mid march I need to be at 10-12% BF.

Thanks again guys, and it's DAMN NICE to be back!

Oh, and when I was ON it was like a bonding experience with fellow meatheads in the gym. A couple of the guys who also had used gear in the past noticed I was somehow and now we're all good buddies. Nice!

**Johny-too-small** · 11-04-2006, 10:51 PM

Sounds like you need a cold shower, bro!

**DSM4Life** · 11-04-2006, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Sounds like you need a cold shower, bro!

**carpediemguy08** · 11-04-2006, 10:58 PM

Haha no worries bro, i cleaned up.

Anyways, what should I do in regards to the Melting Point?

You guys are the experts, I wouldn't go to any other forum.

Oh, and on my cycle i was a beast. slept with 5 new women haha, record for me in just..8 wks!

This time I have a fiance' though, but she's quite the nympho!

haha, goddamn it feels good to be back even posting here, jesus it feels like i just took my first shot of Test-E again

**carpediemguy08** · 11-05-2006, 10:12 AM

bump

**carpediemguy08** · 11-05-2006, 12:03 PM

was thinking about running clen for 2 wk post cycle during pct. anyone on my original question?

**ascendant** · 11-05-2006, 12:12 PM

god damn man. i thought i could ramble in a post, but you got me beat by a longshot! just for future reference, i'd try to keep things a bit more brief, as most of us don't have enough of an attention span to read through something as long and drawn out as you posted. that's probably why you have such few replies to this thread, but i figured i'd at least try to help you a bit here from what i could pay attention to before drifting off...

i noticed you're bf is at 15-16% you said in your post. this is way too high to be doing a cycle at. fat is where test aromatizes to estrogen. with a bf% that high, you will have a very high conversion rate, which means you'll get less out of your cycle and more of a chance of feminization side-effects, including but not limited to gyno of course.

you need to get your bf down before doing more cycles. not only will cycles be more effective, but it will look better as well. bodybuilding isn't just about getting bigger all the time (as many newbies try to do). it's also about looking good. now, at 15-16%bf, sorry to say man, but i can tell you right now it's not looking too good. until you get down to at least 10%, there's just too much fat covering the muscle to really show off what you got. 12% and above, you just look fat.

one last thing as well. i couldn't pay attention to your ramblings long enough to see if i read this right or not, but seems as if you may think you're gonna be able to gain another 20lbs on another cycle like your first. i'm gonna tell you right now that it's most likely not gonna happen, at least not unless you dramatically increase your dosages this time. the first time always tends to give the most dramatic results, but the following cycles take more and more gear to get less and less results.

**carpediemguy08** · 11-05-2006, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by ascendant

god damn man. i thought i could ramble in a post, but you got me beat by a longshot! just for future reference, i'd try to keep things a bit more brief, as most of us don't have enough of an attention span to read through something as long and drawn out as you posted. that's probably why you have such few replies to this thread, but i figured i'd at least try to help you a bit here from what i could pay attention to before drifting off...

i noticed you're bf is at 15-16% you said in your post. this is way too high to be doing a cycle at. fat is where test aromatizes to estrogen. with a bf% that high, you will have a very high conversion rate, which means you'll get less out of your cycle and more of a chance of feminization side-effects, including but not limited to gyno of course.

you need to get your bf down before doing more cycles. not only will cycles be more effective, but it will look better as well. bodybuilding isn't just about getting bigger all the time (as many newbies try to do). it's also about looking good. now, at 15-16%bf, sorry to say man, but i can tell you right now it's not looking too good. until you get down to at least 10%, there's just too much fat covering the muscle to really show off what you got. 12% and above, you just look fat.

one last thing as well. i couldn't pay attention to your ramblings long enough to see if i read this right or not, but seems as if you may think you're gonna be able to gain another 20lbs on another cycle like your first. i'm gonna tell you right now that it's most likely not gonna happen, at least not unless you dramatically increase your dosages this time. the first time always tends to give the most dramatic results, but the following cycles take more and more gear to get less and less results.

My applogies bro, it just felt so damn good to be back that I just kept going on and on. The reason I asked about the bf% was because in the countless SD logs that I've seen, many people have dropped several bf% and gained a good deal of lean mass. In addition, having more muscle / higher LBM will make my base metabolic rate higher, so technically speaking, wouldn't I burn fat off easier post cycle? Especially with clen ?

I hope to get 10 lbs on this cycle, anything more than that (whilst reducing my bf%) is just icing on the cake.

Thanks for the reply