First cycle thoughts

**THE_BOSS** · 11-05-2006, 12:49 AM

So this cycle was "recommend" to me. I understand all but the clen . How is the clen a PCT? Could I use it in the beginning of the cycle? Do I have to wait until the test is done? What are the pros and cons to using either at the end or the beginning of the cycle?

Yes I have done a search on this and I have also read the profile for clen.

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Week 1 to 10: 500mg of test weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
Clenbuterol for PCT
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Thanks,

THE BOSS

**x_moe** · 11-05-2006, 01:00 AM

its better not to do clen while cycling man, clen gives side effects and makes you shake so it would be hard to work out

**spittin' 'n cussin'** · 11-05-2006, 01:25 AM

how was this 'recommend' to u? the nolva and clomid is the pct. im not sure about clen as i never cut

Originally Posted by x_moe

clen gives side effects and makes you shake so it would be hard to work out

who is this guy?

**x_moe** · 11-05-2006, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by spittin' 'n cussin'

how was this 'recommend' to u? the nolva and clomid is the pct. im not sure about clen as i never cut

i think he knows wut pct is, hes asking if he should do clen with pct or during cycle

**THE_BOSS** · 11-05-2006, 10:16 AM

Bump......

Anyone else?

THE BOSS

**fLgAtOr** · 11-05-2006, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by THE_BOSS

Bump......

Anyone else?

THE BOSS

Lol...Sure bro.

Clen is used in PCT to help give you that boost in energy and also to help keep any excess fat off. Remember in PCT you're going to be eating AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to try to keep your gains. Plus you're going to have a drop in test and possibly a rise in estro, which can lead to fat gains. So the clen is there to give you a nice boost, as well as to keep any extra fat off.

Some say its slightly anabolic (or anti-catabolic), but I think thats pretty much crap.

**fLgAtOr** · 11-05-2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by x_moe

its better not to do clen while cycling man, clen gives side effects and makes you shake so it would be hard to work out

And so if someone were to use clen , they shoudl not work out?

You can use clen whenever...It's all in the dosage.

**x_moe** · 11-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

And so if someone were to use clen , they shoudl not work out?

You can use clen whenever...It's all in the dosage.

well when i was shaking like crazy on clen i found it hard to left weights

**THE_BOSS** · 11-05-2006, 07:12 PM

When should I start? Is there anything wrong with taking it during the cycle? I was told by a guy at my gym that it should be taken during the cycle?

Thanks for the replys,

THE BOSS

**fLgAtOr** · 11-05-2006, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by THE_BOSS

When should I start? Is there anything wrong with taking it during the cycle? I was told by a guy at my gym that it should be taken during the cycle?

Thanks for the replys,

THE BOSS

What are your goals for the cycle?

**JohnboyF** · 11-05-2006, 07:57 PM

also what are your stats....

and is that you in the avy pic?

**THE_BOSS** · 11-05-2006, 08:25 PM

My goal is to gain muscle mass and drop my bf. I would like to be 185-200 with bf less than 10%

Stats:
Age: 25
Weight: 185
Height: 5'10
BF: 20-25 (i was told by someone just looking at me)

Been working out on and off for a while but have been dedicated for the last 12 weeks. Mon-Fri haven't missed a day. Trying to get my diet in check 2500 calories or so with a 40/40/20 split.

And yes thats me in the picture.

Thanks guys,

THE BOSS

**fLgAtOr** · 11-05-2006, 08:29 PM

Acheiving both those goals in the same cycle may be difficult. Most will probably recommend cutting first and then using your cycle to add lean mass.

**JohnboyF** · 11-05-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by THE_BOSS

My goal is to gain muscle mass and drop my bf. I would like to be 185-200 with bf less than 10%

Stats:
Age: 25
Weight: 185
Height: 5'10
BF: 20-25 (i was told by someone just looking at me)

Been working out on and off for a while but have been dedicated for the last 12 weeks. Mon-Fri haven't missed a day. Trying to get my diet in check 2500 calories or so with a 40/40/20 split.

And yes thats me in the picture.

Thanks guys,

THE BOSS

Bro your 20-25 bf.. you will not drop down to 10% with that cycle or anycycle imo... You need to cut for a bit before you cycle.. it's a waste of money and gear if you plan to cycle . even if you do a lean bulk you will add some fat.. trust me... so u could be any where from 22-27%...

MY advice is CUT and post your diet forget aas. cuz it wont do anything for u

**THE_BOSS** · 11-05-2006, 08:46 PM

What about bulking then cutting?

**fLgAtOr** · 11-05-2006, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by THE_BOSS

What about bulking then cutting?

I don't think you will be happy with your results/appearance.

I know you're anxious, but if you jump into bulking right after you've been cutting for a while, your gains will be exponetially better..