Help me Help ignorant friend

[MAXIMA5]

I have a friend who thinks Winny is the greatest and only steroid.

He is insisting on doing a winny-only cycle shooting E4D.
He claims he did it this way before with great results.

I told him this is stupid, and he needs to add test, and needs to shoot the winny ED or at the very least EOD.

He claims he's not trying to get huge, he just wants lean gains.

I was thinking about telling him I'm only going to help him if he runs a normal cycle.

I was thinking this would be good. Let me know what you think.

Test E - 400 mg EW weeks 1-10
Var (60mg) or Tbol(40mg)ED weeks 1-5
Winny 50 mg ED weeks 6-10

I'm not sure how comfortable he is with frequent injections, so do you think I should advise him to run Winny in oral form?

Any input is appreciated.

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[HighandWide]

so your going to get this dumbass...sorry your friend...to take 3 when he only want to take 1 AAS....I would suggest keeping him on winny because he loves it so much....mainly for his mental state....and introduce him to the test

Test E- 500mg/week
Winny Oral- whatever mg he takes now ED

run a simple 10 weeks

[magic32]

Well different people have differnt goals. So, if he's happy with Winny only, let him be.

The best testimony you can provide him is your own Test-based physique.

Let your body do your talking...

M.

[Bigmax]

Well you might want to take a different approach and guide him on a better nutrition plan also training and cardio...sounds like the gains he wants are not impossble to get without AAS.

[mkrulic]

I have a friend who thinks Winny is the greatest and only steroid.

He is insisting on doing a winny-only cycle shooting E4D.
He claims he did it this way before with great results.

I told him this is stupid, and he needs to add test, and needs to shoot the winny ED or at the very least EOD.
He claims he's not trying to get huge, he just wants lean gains.

I was thinking about telling him I'm only going to help him if he runs a normal cycle.

I was thinking this would be good. Let me know what you think.

Test E - 400 mg EW weeks 1-10
Var (60mg) or Tbol(40mg)ED weeks 1-5
Winny 50 mg ED weeks 6-10

I'm not sure how comfortable he is with frequent injections, so do you think I should advise him to run Winny in oral form?

Any input is appreciated.

winny has a short half-life do to no ester. 9 hours from my research. 5 half lifes is considered zero. 5*9 = 45 < 48 = 2 days. if eod you'll be starting from scratch every shot. absoutly pointless.

[MAXIMA5]

winny has a short half-life do to no ester. 9 hours from my research. 5 half lifes is considered zero. 5*9 = 45 < 48 = 2 days. if eod you'll be starting from scratch every shot. absoutly pointless.

I think he's tenative about shooting ED. This is why I was thinking about advising him to run oral winny with a long ester test injected.

[MAXIMA5]

so your going to get this dumbass...sorry your friend...to take 3 when he only want to take 1 AAS....I would suggest keeping him on winny because he loves it so much....mainly for his mental state....and introduce him to the test

Test E- 500mg/week
Winny Oral- whatever mg he takes now ED

run a simple 10 weeks

My dumbass friend never said he only wants to run 1 AAS, he just thinks Winny is the greatest thing ever because he seems most familiar with it.
When he thinks steroids, he thinks winny.

The program you suggested is exactly what I said above, with the exception of replacing the first 5 weeks of winny with var. I found out today he ran var for 4 weeks before and had good success.

I dont think he should run winny for 10 straight weeks due to hepatoxicity.

I also think 500 mg of test might be too high for him, since he's never ran test before.

I figure 400 mg EW will be good since he seems to respond well to small amounts of gear.

[MAXIMA5]

The best testimony you can provide him is your own Test-based physique.

Let your body do your talking...

M.

This is why he approached me to ask if I ever juiced. I denied it for weeks, but then I figured out he was fishing because he wanted to get his hands on some.

He is a small guy, maybe 160 or 170 and about 5'7".

He thinks if he runs test he will gain too much weight. He doesn't want to look like a bodybuilder, I think he just wants a little edge in the gym.

This is why I thought Var and test, with a winny closer would be a good cookie-cutter basic cycle that will acheive minimal, but solid lean gains.

What do you think Magic?

[spywizard]

My dumbass friend never said he only wants to run 1 AAS, he just thinks Winny is the greatest thing ever because he seems most familiar with it.
When he thinks steroids, he thinks winny.

The program you suggested is exactly what I said above, with the exception of replacing the first 5 weeks of winny with var. I found out today he ran var for 4 weeks before and had good success.

I dont think he should run winny for 10 straight weeks due to hepatoxicity.

I also think 500 mg of test might be too high for him, since he's never ran test before.

I figure 400 mg EW will be good since he seems to respond well to small amounts of gear.

The reason he thinks it's great is because he has run it before, he doesn't want mass, just to lean out a bit..

the only down fall to a winnie only cycle really is he may never recover his natural production of test, and then he'll run another cycle, and another, and he will get worse and worse..

but then again, it may give him just what he is looking for. Test is indeed the best, but that's because i have run it and know what to expect..

I'll also run a var only cycle and get the results i want.. never run winny only, didn't like what it did to my hair..

anyway... just another prospective for ya

[Schmidty]

test is best.If he is scared to shoot then he should not use AAS

[Schmidty]

soory i read that wrong.If i were him i would use the oral winny

[MAXIMA5]

OK, so does anyone see anything wrong with this.
He claims he has used all these compounds except test.

Test E - 400 mg 1-10
Var - 60 mg ED 1-5
Winny Oral - 50 mg Ed 6-10

If he liked winny and var before, I think it would be beneficial to take advantage of the synergy when combined with a test base.

Also, the fact that the orals are being run at separate times is the equivalent of only running one oral for 10 weeks.

[perfectbeast2001]

I love it when people say " Oh i don't want to look like a body builder" AHAHA what a bunch of crap. Like it is that easy. What does he think, that if he shoots some test he will look like Ronnie coleman. Your friend needs slapping for being so stupid.

[MAXIMA5]

I already slapped him twice.

[magic32]

This is why he approached me to ask if I ever juiced. I denied it for weeks, but then I figured out he was fishing because he wanted to get his hands on some.

He is a small guy, maybe 160 or 170 and about 5'7".

He thinks if he runs test he will gain too much weight. He doesn't want to look like a bodybuilder, I think he just wants a little edge in the gym.

This is why I thought Var and test, with a winny closer would be a good cookie-cutter basic cycle that will acheive minimal, but solid lean gains.

What do you think Magic?

I like what you've drawn up for him, it’s sound and simple.

But here's your problem, as stated by Beast, even Test won't impact him significantly without extracurricular activities (i.e. increased protein, calories & training). I've seen many guys that wanted to avoid the bb'er look use Test with their standard routines and diets, only to nullify its results and question its authenticity. Thus, if he can't fully subscribe to a Test regimen, then he's correct in asserting that he doesn't need it.

Furthermore, I completely agree with Spy in that if he continues Winny only cycles (that are harder to recover from), it will be to his detriment. Rather than direct him to Test, I think it would far more prudent to steer him away from the hazards of Win only, and maybe towards the very beneficial (according to his goals), and much milder "Ross cycle" of Var/TBol. He seems an ideal candidate for this, and it will likely whet his appetite for Test in the future.

M.

[duramaxedge]

Im gonna go with perfect beast

[MAXIMA5]

VAr/Tbol - I ran that once, but with test cyp.
I think I ran 60V/50T
Lean mass, strength, less injections - might be good idea for him.

I know the parrots will attack soon with the "two orals is bad" routine, but my bloodwork was fine when I ran them both.

Any further comments?

[HighandWide]

OK, so does anyone see anything wrong with this.
He claims he has used all these compounds except test.

Test E - 400 mg 1-10
Var - 60 mg ED 1-5
Winny Oral - 50 mg Ed 6-10

If he liked winny and var before, I think it would be beneficial to take advantage of the synergy when combined with a test base.

Also, the fact that the orals are being run at separate times is the equivalent of only running one oral for 10 weeks.

Test is dosed...at least everything i get at 250mg/ml.....suggested 500 because it is just easier for a newb to measure out

Also I know I'm parroting but I must because I never did this before...some say not to switch from one 17-aa to another with no time inbetween

[MAXIMA5]

Many of us have run them both at the same time with no ill effects. VAr/Tbol I mean.

If he does this route, I'll just have him take a ton of Milk Thistle and Niacin.

I see your point on the 500mg. I was forced to run my cyp last time at 750 because thay came in 250mg amps.