First Cycle--Need Advice

[rooterlsu]

I'm 34, 6'1, 193lbs, 10% bodyfat. Been lifting seriously for almost 10 years, and have been all natural. I'm looking to do a cycle, my goal being to be a ripped 200 lbs. Right now I'm looking at two possible first cycles, both recommended by people from the board and some buds of mine. They are:

Cycle 1:
1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
7 – 12 Winny 50mg ED
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

Cycle 2:
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
8 – 13 Winny 50mg ED
1 – 15 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 15 L-dex .25mg ED

Considering my goals, which do you think would be the more effective cycle with the fewest sides? Is there any other combination I should look into or consider?

[MAXIMA5]

You could always run Anavar or Tbol instead of Winny (or even as a kick-start). They also have short half-lives so you ca run them up to 24 hours before PCT.

Both of the cycles you suggested have 1 downfall (long kick-in time), but since I wouldn't advice Dbol for your goals, you will just have to wait it out.

Also, cyp is usually dosed at 250mg/ml, so you're better off running it at 500mg EW just like the Enan.

You should also get your PCT in order. running the same dose of L-dex and nolva that you were running for the cycle for only 2 weeks isnt going to cut it.
I would keep the nolva on hand until PCT. Keep it in case you get gyno signs during cycle. The Ldex dose seems Ok for preventative during cycle, but both together every day may be overkill considering you dont even know if you're gyno-prone yet.

Your PCT needs to be run for 4-6 weeks - not 2 weeks - and the dose needs to be increased post cycle.

[G-1000]

Bro nice home work.

Both cycle look good. The 2 one you would run the test-c at 500mg just like the test-e.

You can also jump start with t-bol if you wish.

[shifty_git]

Bro nice home work.

Both cycle look good. The 2 one you would run the test-c at 500mg just like the test-e.

You can also jump start with t-bol if you wish.

a newbie whos done there research?!!? wtf!!!! lol

good job bro! ;-)

[rooterlsu]

Thanks for the help. Do you recommend one test over the other? And if I did want to kick start with the t-bol, how would i integrate it?

[HighandWide]

You could always run Anavar or Tbol instead of Winny (or even as a kick-start). They also have short half-lives so you ca run them up to 24 hours before PCT.

Both of the cycles you suggested have 1 downfall (long kick-in time), but since I wouldn't advice Dbol for your goals, you will just have to wait it out.

Also, cyp is usually dosed at 250mg/ml, so you're better off running it at 500mg EW just like the Enan.

You should also get your PCT in order. running the same dose of L-dex and nolva that you were running for the cycle for only 2 weeks isnt going to cut it.
I would keep the nolva on hand until PCT. Keep it in case you get gyno signs during cycle. The Ldex dose seems Ok for preventative during cycle, but both together every day may be overkill considering you dont even know if you're gyno-prone yet.

Your PCT needs to be run for 4-6 weeks - not 2 weeks - and the dose needs to be increased post cycle.

Agree cycle looks good....should stretch the PCT

[G-1000]

That just about the same. You will not even know the deferents.

T-bol 1-4 at what ever does. Lots of guys like 60mg day.

[ghoul000]

L-Dex has side effects. Raise`s bad cholesterol and lowers good. Works well for increasing nat test. Caused a lot of acne. Aromasin has 0 side effects. Consider it. Lot of pct for a lower dose cycle. Found that works the best. HCG during the cycle with Aromasin on hand, run Nolva for pct after, can throw in 50 mg of clomid if you like without the sides. Zero side effects, worked great. But your only running 500mg/week. Running higher dose's is when the pct is critical.

[rooterlsu]

Thanks for the help, guys. A few more questions:

Would any of your recommend substituting the Anavar for the Winny? And if so, at what dosage?

How would I run the T-Bol if I was interested in running that as well? Or should I leave that out altogether?

[MAXIMA5]

Running higher dose's is when the pct is critical.

PCT is always critical.

his first shot of test will shut him down.

I like where you're going with the aromasin , but I'd leave out the clomid.
Aromasin and Nolva are fine for his cycle.

[MAXIMA5]

Thanks for the help, guys. A few more questions:

Would any of your recommend substituting the Anavar for the Winny? And if so, at what dosage?

How would I run the T-Bol if I was interested in running that as well? Or should I leave that out altogether?

You could kick-start your cycle with either Tbol or Anavar.

An average dose of Tbol is 40-60 mg ED
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199812

Var needs to be run at at least 60-80 mg ED IMo.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199816

Both will give you hardness and strength at the beginning. You can then finish with Winny, but make sure you run Milk Thistle for liver and niacin for cholesterol every day.

[snoopy]

You could always run Anavar or Tbol instead of Winny (or even as a kick-start). They also have short half-lives so you ca run them up to 24 hours before PCT.

Both of the cycles you suggested have 1 downfall (long kick-in time), but since I wouldn't advice Dbol for your goals, you will just have to wait it out.

Also, cyp is usually dosed at 250mg/ml, so you're better off running it at 500mg EW just like the Enan.

You should also get your PCT in order. running the same dose of L-dex and nolva that you were running for the cycle for only 2 weeks isnt going to cut it.
I would keep the nolva on hand until PCT. Keep it in case you get gyno signs during cycle. The Ldex dose seems Ok for preventative during cycle, but both together every day may be overkill considering you dont even know if you're gyno-prone yet.

Your PCT needs to be run for 4-6 weeks - not 2 weeks - and the dose needs to be increased post cycle.

Maxi dead on here, run with tbol or dbol. Theres more chance of infection with winy being a waterbased injectable and upping the cyp will increase mass significantly.

[rooterlsu]

so you think i should eliminate the winny altogether?

[briansauras]

wk1-10 prop 100mg ed
wk1-8 tren a or npp 75mg ed
wk1-8 mast 75mg ed or wk5-pct 100-150mg winny ed

[Johny-too-small]

Thanks for the help. Do you recommend one test over the other? And if I did want to kick start with the t-bol, how would i integrate it?

I am running test E with tbol right now. I kickstarted the cycle w/ Tbol @ 60 mg/ed for 8 weeks. You can read my other threads to see my progress updates.
Good Luck.

[rooterlsu]

briansaurus....do you think i should use the cycle you posted instead as my first cycle?

[briansauras]

briansaurus....do you think i should use the cycle you posted instead as my first cycle?

since you have ran winny in your past 2 cycles and you are 10% bf I would try masteron
wk1-10 prop 100mg ed
wk1-8 tren a 75mg ed
wk1-8 mast 75mg ed
wk0-pct 0.25-0.5mg ed

[rooterlsu]

no, i have only ran 2 cycles of superdrol, never any aas. the two cycles listed at the top of this post are potential FIRST aas cycles and i'm wondering which one to do and if they should be altered or tweaked any.

[MAXIMA5]

since you have ran winny in your past 2 cycles and you are 10% bf I would try masteron
wk1-10 prop 100mg ed
wk1-8 tren a 75mg ed
wk1-8 mast 75mg ed
wk0-pct 0.25-0.5mg ed

Bri,

this is his first cycle ever.

Tren and prop - not a good idea.

[MAXIMA5]

briansaurus....do you think i should use the cycle you posted instead as my first cycle?

NO! NO! NO!

he thought you ran those two cycles before. I dont think he knows this is cycle #1 for you. Tren is harsh, and both need to be injected daily.
That cycle Brian p[osted is WAY too advanced for you at this point.

Stick to the basics.

[Bigmax]

NO! NO! NO!

he thought you ran those two cycles before. I dont think he knows this is cycle #1 for you. Tren is harsh, and both need to be injected daily.
That cycle Brian p[osted is WAY too advanced for you at this point.

Stick to the basics.

Agree there...1st cycle no need to over do anything.

[briansauras]

Bri,

this is his first cycle ever.

Tren and prop - not a good idea.

whoops I was thinking it was his third cycle and those 2 he posted were ones he has done before.

deff just go with test e or c for 12wks with letro.