sus and deca cycle advice please

[Venum]

I am planning on cycling this winter, and if it doesnt cost too much I would like to try sus and deca together.....I was told by this one body builder that I should run them both for at least 16 weeks, sus every 10 days 500-750 mgs, and deca every 10 days 400-550 mgs. That sounds like a bit much to me..what do you guys think? Also, if it turns out that it is going to cost me too much, what is a cheaper cycle to make good gains avoiding orals if I can? fina and something else?

[lawsey000]

Age, height, weight, bf, cycle experience, pct knowledge, goals...etc?????

Start reading and researching. Sus and Deca taken every ten days is not a good idea....

[SMAN12b]

your bodybuilder friend is an idiot !!!

For bodybuilding purposes, Sust should be shot EOD or E3d and Deca can be once a week. how many cycles have you done or is this the first?? 12 weeks is plenty and you want to acut the deca two weeks before the test is done.

what you got for PCT???

stats please

[Venum]

This would be my 3rd cycle..I knew right away 16 weeks did not sound right thats why I wanted to ask you experienced people. I am 24, 5'11 197 lbs about 15 % bf. goals are to cut my bf down as much as I can naturally until about february, then run a nice cycle on a clean bulk. for pct I was going to use clomid. how many mg's of the sus and deca would be appropriate for 12 weeks?

[Venum]

My past 2 cycles did not work as good as I wanted to, because my diet was not in check. Last cycle was about 3 years ago test cyp, and winny. I know how to eat now, so I should be ready to try again.

[SMAN12b]

Is this your first cycle? If so, I would go with only one compound at a time so you can learn how your body reacts both good and bad to each compound.

that being said,

Weeks 1-12 Sust @ 500/Week (personally, I would go with a single estered test like Enanthate or Cypionate )
Weeks 1-10 Deca @ 400-600 mgs/week depending on your experience with it.

PCT starts 18 days after last Sust or 14 days after last Test E or Cyp

I would make sure you had extra compound on hand just in case, and make sure you have ALL your PCT compounds before starting. You may want to consider an AI like arimidex or letro to use during the cycle to help with any bloat and look into better PCT than just clomid. HCG , Nolvadex , Provirion are just a few suggestions

[Venum]

I would really like to try sus and deca , but it all comes down to if I have enough money. I have to make sure I have enough money for the proper pct as well, thats why I might consider trying a less costly cycle.

[SMAN12b]

well if you dont' have enough money to do a proper cycle, how you gonna afford all the MEAT and food you will need in order to make the cycle work?

not a whole lot of difference between Test prices with Sust or Test e

[Venum]

Food is always affordable...Never go without it. costco baby. how would sus work alone?

[SMAN12b]

Sust should work fine alone to give you great gains depending on your food intake and training.

Personally I do not like Sust due to the many esters (4) that all release at different times so keeping blood levels stable becomes harder and thus the EOD injections....

[Venum]

I think I am going to give sus by itself a try...I still consider myself a beginner user. I don't really count those other cycles I have tried because I did not eat enough calories, giving me little results. I am educated on diet now, so that def will not be an issue. I think adding deca would be a bit much this time around.

[SMAN12b]

cool, good luck with it and keep us posted on your results. You may want to consider having an AI on hand just in case signs of Gyno or water retention... and make sure you have ALL pct compounds in hand before you start!!

[mxnick76]

good choice on the test only cycle bro 500 mg per week 250mg-wed 250mg-sunday morning is a good split. Iv personaly done this cycle twice now with good results both times. Gains wont be instant but well worth it in the end. I started to show signs of gyno at week 7 on sust. for some reason keep your AI on hand bro you never know when you might need it.

[Venum]

ok thanks guys...is clomid ok for pct? I have some left over nolva too....

[SMAN12b]

clomid, nolva and you may want to get some HCG to help kickstart your nuts again

[Venum]

I have some legal stuff called phera plex its a prohormone, can I take that along with the sus for the beginning 3 weeks?

[SMAN12b]

sure you can, but don't expect too much from it.

[Venum]

sure you can, but don't expect too much from it.

I wouldnt expect too much from it, just to keep my mind off the real stuff for the first month!