help with test prop and eq

[xaviercory]

i have 2 bottles of qv eq and 2 of qv test prop how should i run these 2 in a 10 wk period?

i want to do 300mg a wk of EQ

and

100mg every 3 days of test prop


stats are 6 feet 200lbs

26 years old with about 7 years of lifting

[x_moe]

how many mgs and mL is every bottle

[Johny-too-small]

UGL names need to be removed from your post.

Your cycle dosent look very good. Do you have a pct planned yet? Is this your first cycle? Whats your bf%?

[xaviercory]

i do have a pct planned and my bf%is about 12 but why isnt this a good cycle.I just want to improve on my body im not looking to enter a contest

[xaviercory]

the eq is 200mg per ml in a 10ml bottle and the test prop is 100mg per ml in a 10ml bottle

[Johny-too-small]

Here is why your cycle is poorly thought out and why youre going to get poor results:

1) 200 mg/ew of Test is a complete waste of time for a guy your size. If you ran it at a meager 300 mg/ew you wouldnt have enough for 7 weeks. A guy your size should use a min. of 500 mg/ew of Test.

If thats not enough for you then:
2) You should never run more EQ than Test (ie: 500mg/ew Test & 400mg/ew of EQ).
3) 300 mg/ew of EQ is meager and you wont gain very much.
4) IMO, Id run test a week longer than EQ, but thats just me.
5) When I tell you that your cycle is not very good you respond with a smartass newbie attitude, "I just want to improve on my body im not looking to enter a contest."

Good luck with your cycle.

[shrpskn]

Also, the EQ should be ran for a minimum of 12 weeks to get optimal results from it. 400-600mg/wk

[xaviercory]

ok im going to be the bigger man on this one so can you please advise me on how to run this i want to run the eq with test prop and then throw so winny in it on the last 6wks and i would like to run the entire cycle 4months.I finished a cycle os sus 250 which i ran 13 wks at 500mg per week and i got bloated as hell with the chipmunk cheeks.I weighed 232 and then i drop the puff look to about 204 and noticed i did keep some muscle now i want a cut cycle and i have the eq and the test prop but i will listen to you guys on what i should run.

[Johny-too-small]

Cool. Hope this helps:
Week 1-14: Test Prop @ .75 mg/ed (I would switch to test enan or cyp for a cycle this long, as sides from prop may become an issue and you dont have to inject so often).
Week 1-13: EQ @ 400 mg/ew
Week 9-14: Winny @ 50 mg/ed (tabs?) (Also, if you do switch to Enan or Cyp then use weeks 11-16)

Use a SERM throughout cycle (l-dex or letro @ 0.25 mg/ed) for bloat. Have pct on hand.
What do you have planned for pct?

[xaviercory]

i was going to get som clom and nolva but you said that the letro wont give me the chipmunk cheeks right

[Johny-too-small]

Right...but more importanly, what's your pct? How long? what are you going to use? Please detail as this is just as important as your cycle.

[xaviercory]

truely dud im real new to this.From what ive been reading it should start for 6 weeks after my last test shot right? Can you list a plan for me?

[xaviercory]

im so confused with this and is the brit d a good place i know i cant post a ugl up here but maybe someone can help

[Johny-too-small]

truely dud im real new to this.From what ive been reading it should start for 6 weeks after my last test shot right? Can you list a plan for me?

Ahhh, not so fast Danielson!
Try to do some leg work by researching the PCT forum on your own. There are around 5000 threads on the subject. I have spent countless hours learning over the months. When you think you know what you need, detail it, and we'll work it out.

You can PM me if you have any questions.
Good Luck.

[xaviercory]

how is that brit scaly bird? and good and how do you pm someone?

[Johny-too-small]

You can take a picture of your gear and post it in the picture forum to find out if its legit. But the bird is good. To PM someone (ie: me) click on the member's name and when the menu comes down you can select the right option.

[shrpskn]

I think he needs more posts to PM someone though....

[xaviercory]

yeah they wont let me pm someone but i really wanted to know about the scaly bird from the british can you format a order for me i want to be cut for the spring im already a stocky guy.The stomach is the only problem area but my other upper and lower parts are fine for me

[Johny-too-small]

yeah they wont let me pm someone but i really wanted to know about the scaly bird from the british can you format a order for me i want to be cut for the spring im already a stocky guy.The stomach is the only problem area but my other upper and lower parts are fine for me

Do you want us to hold your dick for you while you piss, too? Dude, I know youre a newb, but you need to use your damn melon and learn about this. No one is going to format an order for you...

I'll do it, though. Post your credit card number and well get started.

[xaviercory]

lol ok your right.Ill take your advise on the upping the dose on the eq and test prop and theb add the winny in the final weeks.I should see the results i want.how about running this for 20wks?

[rippedhard22]

Cool. Hope this helps:
Week 1-14: Test Prop @ .75 mg/ed (I would switch to test enan or cyp for a cycle this long, as sides from prop may become an issue and you dont have to inject so often).
Week 1-13: EQ @ 400 mg/ew
Week 9-14: Winny @ 50 mg/ed (tabs?) (Also, if you do switch to Enan or Cyp then use weeks 11-16)

Use a SERM throughout cycle (l-dex or letro @ 0.25 mg/ed) for bloat. Have pct on hand.
What do you have planned for pct?

I'll co-sign this. It's a far superior plan. I personally would recommend Enthanate for 11-16, once a week, and you can jump start your cycle w/ the prop you have eod on top of the enth. for 2-3 weeks.

Keep some anti-e on hand for bloat, but I wouldn't start it until week 4.

[one8nine]

i have 2 bottles of qv eq and 2 of qv test prop how should i run these 2 in a 10 wk period?

i want to do 300mg a wk of EQ

and

100mg every 3 days of test prop


stats are 6 feet 200lbs

26 years old with about 7 years of lifting

if i had what you had i would do



days
21-60 50mg ed test prop
1-40 100mg ed eq


the eq has a much longer half life than the prop taking it weeks to kick in anyway, so in effect you are doing a 3 week front load with the eq and your gains will come between days 21 and 60, and then both esters will clear around day 62 or 63 to begin pct

[one8nine]

Cool. Hope this helps:
Week 1-14: Test Prop @ .75 mg/ed (I would switch to test enan or cyp for a cycle this long, as sides from prop may become an issue and you dont have to inject so often).
Week 1-13: EQ @ 400 mg/ew
Week 9-14: Winny @ 50 mg/ed (tabs?) (Also, if you do switch to Enan or Cyp then use weeks 11-16)

Use a SERM throughout cycle (l-dex or letro @ 0.25 mg/ed) for bloat. Have pct on hand.
What do you have planned for pct?

these are some of the worst numbers i have ever seen

the short ester and esterless compounds need to be run 3 weeks longer than the eq, so if you cut prop at week 14 then the eq need to go 11, and winny at 14.5. pct starts 21 days after last eq shot, 3 days after prop shot, less than 24 hours after winny shot. so lets try to get the numbers to match up right?

if you are going to use enan or cyp then you will need to cut the test around week 12 with this structure, as enan takes 14 days until pct and cyp takes 18 days until pct.

l-dex and letros are AIs ... not SERMs
clomid and nolva are SERM

.25mg L-dex is not equipotent to .25mg letro. it takes about 1mg l-dex to comepare to .25mg of letro.

[Johny-too-small]

these are some of the worst numbers i have ever seen

the short ester and esterless compounds need to be run 3 weeks longer than the eq, so if you cut prop at week 14 then the eq need to go 11, and winny at 14.5. pct starts 21 days after last eq shot, 3 days after prop shot, less than 24 hours after winny shot. so lets try to get the numbers to match up right?

if you are going to use enan or cyp then you will need to cut the test around week 12 with this structure, as enan takes 14 days until pct and cyp takes 18 days until pct.

l-dex and letros are AIs ... not SERMs
clomid and nolva are SERM

.25mg L-dex is not equipotent to .25mg letro. it takes about 1mg l-dex to comepare to .25mg of letro.

Youre right, I had it in my mind that he was going to do Test E or C and thats why i had the EQ ending when it did. I didnt structure it around it being Prop. However, if he does run Enan or Cyp than I stand by the winny ending two weeks after the last test shot. Also, I understand that L-dex and letro are not "equipotent" but regardless, l-dex should be taken @ .25 mg/ed for this bro's needs. Thanks for your clarification, Slick.

[xaviercory]

so which test wont bloat me up

[Johny-too-small]

Prop is your best option as far as I know, however, all bloat can be minimized with proper diet, water intake, sodium intake, and AI's.

Bump for more opinions.

[xaviercory]

i been reading posts on clen and t3. should i use this to get my bf% low before i start a cycle. It sounds good but what do you think and by the way you have been very helpful

[Johny-too-small]

i been reading posts on clen and t3. should i use this to get my bf% low before i start a cycle. It sounds good but what do you think and by the way you have been very helpful

What would benefit you the most is to develop a good solid clean diet. The sooner you clean up your diet and become disciplined; the better off you'll be during cycle. The best way to shed some fat is through diet. Save the clen and t3 for your pct.

What does your diet look like on a daily basis?

[xaviercory]

6:30am protein shake 40 grams

9:30 7 boiled eggs

12:00 protein shake

4:00pm tuna fish or chicken

7 im in the gym

9 to 930 protein shake or eggs tuna or chicken

11pm in out sleeping

i dont have some carbs but very little.This diet helped me get rid of those chipmunk cheeks the sus left me with.That cycle shot my weight to 232 now im at 204 but i want to do this cycle right because last year when i didnt know as much i would have just ran the eq and test prop for 10 weeks at the eq at 200wk and the test prop 100wk so i do thank you for the help and knowledge.

i been think of take your advise and run the test enan instead of the prop


check this out

1-13 500mg a week of test enan

1-12 600mg a week of EQ

8-13 of winny 50mg ED-

1-15 nolvadex 10mg ED

1-15 l-dex .25mg ED

does this seem like a better plan then the one i had before

i do try to learn

[xaviercory]

ok i finally got a pic up.I know my bf%is probably high but i do have a good base and maybe i can tighten up my diet but now you can see what im working with

[Johny-too-small]

6:30am protein shake 40 grams

9:30 7 boiled eggs

12:00 protein shake

4:00pm tuna fish or chicken

7 im in the gym

9 to 930 protein shake or eggs tuna or chicken

11pm in out sleeping

i dont have some carbs but very little.This diet helped me get rid of those chipmunk cheeks the sus left me with.That cycle shot my weight to 232 now im at 204 but i want to do this cycle right because last year when i didnt know as much i would have just ran the eq and test prop for 10 weeks at the eq at 200wk and the test prop 100wk so i do thank you for the help and knowledge.

i been think of take your advise and run the test enan instead of the prop


check this out

1-13 500mg a week of test enan

1-12 600mg a week of EQ

8-13 of winny 50mg ED-

1-15 nolvadex 10mg ED

1-15 l-dex .25mg ED

does this seem like a better plan then the one i had before

i do try to learn

1)Your're right, not enough carbs. Carbs are very important, even when cutting.
2) You are getting most of your protein from shakes. You need to get the majority of your protein from whole foods like chicken, tuna, beef, etc.
3) You're not eating enough calories to put on solid lean mass. A guy like you should eat 3000 kcals/ed. If you feel that your diet is adding too much fat then jump on the bike for 45 min 3x week.
4) Dont forget your veggies, very important.
5) You need more EFAs of Essential Fatty Acids (flax seed oil, almonds, are good examples of EFAs).
7) Use egg whites instead of whole eggs. Whole eggs have tons of fat.

If you want to cut read this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729

If you want to bulk read this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

A few notes about your cycle:
1) You dont need to use Nolva during your cycle. Save it for your pct.
2) L-dex @ .25 mg/ed is good. May want to end it a week before your cycle ends and then transition it to nolva.
3) Much Better overall. How about PCT? What have you come up with there?