Looking for a Good cutting cycle, im thinking Tren + Winny

**Luminaire** · 11-15-2006, 10:09 AM

Hi guys--
5'7 186lbs BF = 21%

Well It's been a while since ive done a cycle, actually during my last cycle, 13th week of a 14 week cycle I ended up tearing my pec IN A CAR DOOR (please dont ask I was being stupid), anyway couldnt work out for a couple of months, ended up losing a lot yeah that sucked... anyway that was my first cycle (test prop and deca ) and that was about a year and a half ago. Ive been working out naturally since then, and I just went for bloodwork and everything checked out, cholesterol is good and I think I'd like to do another cycle. Really what im looking for is a good cutting+hardening cycle. I've done some research around the site, and seeing as im not looking to carry the cycle for more than 8-10weeks, i think TREN and WINNY towards the end would be a good cycle. Also im really not looking to go crazy with the doses as im not that tall and am only 186 lbs. I wouldnt even mind slimming down to somewhere around 170-175lbs. I understand that Tren is a pretty serious steroid , perhaps not the right choice for someone like me, but again to reiterate Im only looking to run the cycle for a max of 10 weeks and definitely dont need to go crazy with the dosages. I understand that I SHOULD run some type of test with the tren but I'm wondering if I can possibly get around that by taking HCG , or perhaps simply of the virtue that im not looking to go crazy with the dosages. Also I understand theres two types of Tren, I was only able to really find specific information on Tren Acetate. Can anyone help me with this? i.e. Let me know if im completely crazy for wanting to run Tren, and if im not crazy, what proper dosages would be over a 8-10 week cycle and the correct dosages of PCT i should take to protect myself and lock the shit in.

Thanks-
LUM

**one8nine** · 11-15-2006, 10:19 AM

edit: i just noticed your body fat. you should look into diet and cardio more than anything. tren will destroy your endurance and screw up your cardio so i dont think its for you right now. you should probably stick to 50mg winny and 50mg test and a lot of cardio and a lot of reading in the diet forum.

if you want to do a moderate 10 week cycle off the top of my head id say somethign like this
1-9 tren a 50mg
1-10 test p 50mg
1-10.5 winny 50mg

pct nolva/proviron and maybe hcg /aromasin

there are 3 typed of tren. tren a, tren hex, and tren e. the only difference is half life and frequency of injections.

if you have to inject your winny every day anyway you might as well inject test prop every day and use tren a because it has the shortest half life

if you look i cut the tren a week and a half before winny and test prop a half week before winny, so that all of your pct sates match up and you can start pct the day after your past winny shot

as for tren being crazy i dont think that 50mg ed is overboard but if you start getting crazy side effects it has a short ester and if you stop taking it ti will be out of your system fast

why do you want to avoid test it makes no sense to me, it cant becaus eyou are scared of side effects because tren is much worse for side effects. you can only gain and add more to your cycle with test included. also it would give you a dht, 19-nor and test all in one, you hit all 3 times of AAS.

**JohnboyF** · 11-15-2006, 10:20 AM

at 21% body fat a cutting cycle is waste. Save your money for a clean diet and cardio

**Luminaire** · 11-15-2006, 01:20 PM

oops, my age is 21 my bodyfat is 13%, sorry about that mixup, i like that cycle you laid out seems like a lot less than what others are taking and im def looking to take a lot less, I actually started a very strict diet of 2200 calories a day about a month ago with good cardio and stuff and hope to continue that for at least another full month before I do a cycle, but I plan on picking up the stuff soon and making sure I have everything that I need
thanks a lot so far for the input--
Lum

**Luminaire** · 11-15-2006, 01:28 PM

btw im not afraid of test, just not looking to go crazy with the AAS

**spywizard** · 11-15-2006, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by one8nine

edit: i just noticed your body fat. you should look into diet and cardio more than anything. tren will destroy your endurance and screw up your cardio so i dont think its for you right now. you should probably stick to 50mg winny and 50mg test and a lot of cardio and a lot of reading in the diet forum.

if you want to do a moderate 10 week cycle off the top of my head id say somethign like this
1-9 tren a 50mg
1-10 test p 50mg
1-10.5 winny 50mg

pct nolva/proviron and maybe hcg /aromasin

there are 3 typed of tren. tren a, tren hex, and tren e. the only difference is half life and frequency of injections.

if you have to inject your winny every day anyway you might as well inject test prop every day and use tren a because it has the shortest half life

if you look i cut the tren a week and a half before winny and test prop a half week before winny, so that all of your pct sates match up and you can start pct the day after your past winny shot

as for tren being crazy i dont think that 50mg ed is overboard but if you start getting crazy side effects it has a short ester and if you stop taking it ti will be out of your system fast

why do you want to avoid test it makes no sense to me, it cant becaus eyou are scared of side effects because tren is much worse for side effects. you can only gain and add more to your cycle with test included. also it would give you a dht, 19-nor and test all in one, you hit all 3 times of AAS.

SEE BOLD

**FranKieC** · 11-15-2006, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

SEE BOLD

What he said..Unless you want to try to combat the Tren with a high dose of EQ

**tycin** · 11-15-2006, 06:25 PM

diet and cardio would be ur best bet bro... maybe even an eca stack.

**Tren Bull** · 11-15-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Luminaire

btw im not afraid of test, just not looking to go crazy with the AAS

aww come on man... its all about taking so many cycles that there is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that you are a complete roid head

**tycin** · 11-15-2006, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tren Bull

aww come on man... its all about taking so many cycles that there is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that you are a complete roid head

**one8nine** · 11-15-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Luminaire

oops, my age is 21 my bodyfat is 13%, sorry about that mixup, i like that cycle you laid out seems like a lot less than what others are taking and im def looking to take a lot less, I actually started a very strict diet of 2200 calories a day about a month ago with good cardio and stuff and hope to continue that for at least another full month before I do a cycle, but I plan on picking up the stuff soon and making sure I have everything that I need
thanks a lot so far for the input--
Lum

okay in that case look under my edit