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im running my next cycle with test e, and eq. i was trying to decide if i should run anadrol or winstrol with it to give me a jump start to my cycle. any ideas? how about pct as well? im running 500mg test/wk and eq 600mg/wk. i was going to run arimidex at .25 mg /day and nolva at 10mg day hcg at 250iu everyday or everyother day during the cycle. any ideas? thanks alot guys
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
Depends on what your diet is like and goals etc etc.
This is the kinda thing you have to answer for yourself.
"king of free stuff" / Retired
bulking or cutting?
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i am very very cut right now. i have a very strict diet as well. LOTS of calories. im 5'8" 185lbs. if i knew how to post a picture i would. whether i take the a50 to bulk or the winny, either way the test e and the eq are cutters right? so if i take the anadrol will it give me a jump start to strength and bulk and then later on in the cycle the others will kick in and do their job? i dont know. thanks for the input so far guys...keep it coming. you all are alot of help
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
You can "cut" or "bulk" with any steroid. It depends on how well you eat and how you train, if you lose fat and/or gain muscle.
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
What would you personally like to achive with using steroids ?
New Member
exactly...so. what im trying to figure out here, is if the anadrol or the winstrol would be a better jumpstart to my cycle. i eat alot and try to bulk, but still cut up more than anything. my last cycle was deca, sust and dbol and nomatter how heavy i lifted or how much i ate, i still got more and more ripped. all im looking for out of the two is which one will give me the most strength gains and size before the other two kick in later in the cycle. i think im starting to answer my own question now and go with anadrol...if so, what do you think my cycle should look like?
1-6 a50 at ?
1-14 test e 500mg wk
1-14 eq 600mg wk
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
anadrol should give you better strength/size gains, it depensd on the dose and length.
1-4 anadrol 100mg ED should be pretty good, maybe even 125-140 or so.
Smart Ass Member
I would do both at the same time for 4 weeks. I would take at least 50mg of each.
Now this is my suggestion based on how those two compounds work synergistically for me. I have done it twice with excellent results in size.
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
Did you have any bloodwork in that timeframe?
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only 1-4 huh. thats some pretty quick results then... should the .25mg day of a-dex and 10mg a day of nolva along with my hcg 250iu eod throghout the cycle be good enough? i was going to discontinue the adex at my last injection and start pct 2 weeks after last test with 20mg/day 4 wks of nolva, 100mg clomid 2wks, then 50mgs/ 2wks. what should i bump my hcg up to during pct?
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see i thought about taking both also, or maybe saving the winny for the last 4-6weeks? and yes, did you have any bloodwork done?
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
The problem with taking both is that they both are hepatoxic so you shoudl take a less than normal amount of both of them then. Especailly anadrol, that shit can be dangerous.
Orals can be taken safely, at moderate doses for 6 weeks supposedly. I wouldnt run them over 8weeks ever.
get bloodowrk done during their use and you will know exactly when you should stop or cntinue.
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im not brave enough to run both at the same time, especially when anadrol is one of them. id rather run them at separate times in the cycle.
Dbol Junkie
Originally Posted by 2003sonicblue
wow, those are 2 very different steroids... hell if i were you, id kickstart with anadrol, then finish with winstrol. btw, there is no need to run arimidex and nolva at the same time because nolva will actually lower the amount of arimidex in your blood.
i also think its a good idea to save all the hcg and use it for the first few weeks of pct, then follow up with clomid... if you can, you should get some clenbuterol for pct as well... this will help you keep more gains
Dbol Junkie
equi and test are not cutters. i mean its possible to cut while on them, but imo its much more effective to eat a lean bulk diet while on any type of steroid
New Member
thanks alot for your input...so during the cycle i should run what? adex still at .25 mg day.. and i can get some clenbuterol. what dosages should i look into running?
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
**** clen
Dbol Junkie
i think the toxicity of most oral steroids is over exagerated. i ran heavy orals for 11 weeks on my last cycle and im still alive. but honestly id be hesitant to run heavy anadrol for months on end... that could be bad
Dbol Junkie
well actually i read that nolva is better to run with anadrol... supposedly, arimidex isnt very effective at preventing gyno caused by anadrol cause of the tendency for the androl molecules themselves to attatch to estrogen receptors
but just for the record, i am not trying to state this as an absolute fact cause honestly i dont know if its true or not... but i did read it somewhere, i think it might have been here on AR.
as for the clen, usually il start taking it the day after my cycle ends, pyramiding up the dose as follows
day 1: 20 mcgs
day 2: 40 mcgs
day 3: 60 mcgs
day 4: 80 mcgs
day 5: 100 mcgs
day 6: 125 mcgs
then stick at 125 mcgs ed for the duration of pct (usually lasting about 2 months)
btw, 1 mcg = 1 microgram
Dbol Junkie
clen makes me feel like sh_t when im on it, but imo its necessary for pct... il be damned if il give up any of my gains
"king of free stuff" / Retired
how old are you?
New Member
im 22. been lifting since i was about 14. i know it was too young.. my joints ache now... but during my last cycle, i never hurt at all..it was kinda nice for a change
Dbol Junkie
i told you last night...
im 14
"king of free stuff" / Retired
damn Tren now im gonna get arrested!!
"king of free stuff" / Retired
I would go with the anadrol for a kickstart and if you must then winny at the end. Check the clen FAQ in my sig.
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
I just hate stimulants all together. Ephedrine alone gave me uneasy chest "feelings" and make me way too nervous.
Dbol Junkie
we'l just keep this our little secret
New Member
well i havent even gotten them yet...i dont want to use any more than i have to..i wont get winny if it isnt necessary.. so if it wouldnt be beneficial to run at the end of my cycle, then i wont
Dbol Junkie
haha yea ive been there bro. what i hate is having to write things when im all tweaked out on clen... like having to do engineering drawing... man my sh_t looked so sloppy
oh well, at least i kept my gains from that cycle.
but im just curious, since you hate clen, does that mean you dont run it during pct?
Dbol Junkie
well, its debateable wether or not winstrol at the end would be beneficial... how many cycles have you done?
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
haha yea ive been there bro. what i hate is having to write things when im all tweaked out on clen... like having to do engineering drawing... man my sh_t looked so sloppy
oh well, at least i kept my gains from that cycle.
but im just curious, since you hate clen, does that mean you dont run it during pct?
Never have with the 3 cycles that I have done. I don't seem to lose much weight after a cycle though and I really have never expereinced "Bloat" .
I only haev used clomid/nolva but I want to try proviron. I have letro but I havent used it yet becuase its so damn hard to cap, for me at least.
Smart Ass Member
I get blood work done before and after a cycle not during.
As for orals being dangerous... if people take 100-150mg of drol or 100mg winny, what makes you think running them in short durations at the same total milligrams would be any more dangerous?
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
I agree that if it was at the same total milligrams it would be better than combining the total milligrams that you would be using if you used one alone. But certain orals are more toxic than others correct ?
Smart Ass Member
This is why I suggested 50mg of each in my post. I did not debate toxicity of one oral to another, but I agree with trenbull hepatoxicity is over-rated
2/3 Deca 1/3 Test
I had eleveated liver values (77) after my cycle so I can't agree or really even disagree with that yet. I only hear that it is over rated.
Test Is Best!
that would be one fat cycle. Damn
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