My First Cycle. advise please

[The_Jackalope]

im 33 y/o. 6'1" 249lbs. 19% BF.

i have a good training regime 6 days on 1 day off. 8 hours of cardio per week.
diet is a little sloppy but ill have it on point by start day.

wk 1-12 Test E 500mg/week (or Cyp, advise appreciated)
wk 1-4 8-12 Winstrol 50mg/ed
wk 1-8 durabol 100mg/e5d (have it on hand. let me know if i should leave it out)
wk 1-14 Letro .25mg/ed
wk 14-20 Nolvadex 20mg/ed

was thinking of working some HCG in there but im not at all familiar with it. any input will be highly regarded.

-respect

[JohnboyF]

I would drop your bf before cycling in my opinion and clean up the diet.

[BigJames]

I agree with FaizakaFez on the diet and and Bf...personnally I would also do a test only (cyp or E is fine) cycle for your first to see how you react. Save the Winny for round 2. That way you know if you have sides what they come from. Just my 2 cents.

[Swifto]

Drop your BF % to around 10-13%, no more. Do this by using a good diet and cardio protocol.

Drop your Letro and Nolva. There not needed. You dont know if your prone to estrogenic sides yet.

Drop the Winstrol and Durabol too. A single form of Testosterone will suffice for your first run.

HCG can be used at between 125-500ius 2/3 times weekly to maintain testicular size/function.

[The_Jackalope]

ok, thnx for the advise. i need to test my BF again. at what % would you recommed before cycling?

so 500mg/week Test E with the Letro and Nolva for pct. would be ok for first time?

any recommendations on a manufacturer for the Test, i know we cant use names but.. is (thailand) products ok or (India)? there is also a (german) brand available. any input on that is much appreciated.

-respect

[anabolic-ss]

Is a good jumping off point for a cycle when you carry more fat, you also carry more aromatase enzyme, thus more estrogen and more potential for fat. When you come into a cyle lean and even slightly depleted, the effects can be amazing. Just take the time to get down and it will be well worth it.

[The_Jackalope]

just saw Swifto's post. ill drop the Letro and Nolva. im hammering the cardio, and my diet right now is low carb/fat high protien. so the BF should drop steadily.

ill pick up some HCG.

thnx for the great input guys. as always, your on point!

-respect

[guest589745]

Drop your Letro and Nolva. There not needed. You dont know if your prone to estrogenic sides yet.

Don't you think it would make PCT easier to use an AI or SERM still ?

[The_Jackalope]

Don't you think it would make PCT easier to use an AI or SERM still ?

my plan was to run .25mg/ed Letro weeks 1-14 then Nolva for my pct wk 14-20, 20mg/ed.

so if i drop the Letro, i will still need to run Nolva for pct correct?

also, if it turns out i am prone to estrogenic activity and start getting some sides halfway through my cycle, should i start the Letro?

-respect

[Swifto]

Don't you think it would make PCT easier to use an AI or SERM still ?

Yes. Didnt mean any confusion but I meant dont use a AI/SERM or both when "on", wasnt referring to PCT.

Too many people take too many precautions against estrogen and its effect, positive and negative IMHO. AI's/SERM's are more abused than steroids IMHO.

Keep them on hand, yes. A SERM and AI. If sides occur, use one or both.

Estorgen isnt all bad.

[Swifto]

my plan was to run .25mg/ed Letro weeks 1-14 then Nolva for my pct wk 14-20, 20mg/ed.

so if i drop the Letro, i will still need to run Nolva for pct correct?

also, if it turns out i am prone to estrogenic activity and start getting some sides halfway through my cycle, should i start the Letro?

-respect

Not that I have ever run Letro but I dont like the fact it reduce estrogen so dramatically (98%). If you already have it, use it, at a low dose. If not, get some Arimidex or better, Aromasin.

If you get estrogenic sides, gyno or water retention, use Nolva 10-20mg/ED. If there still evident, bump Nolva to 20-40mg/ED, until there gone. Whilst your using the Nolva at 20-40mg/ED it may be wise to introduce an AI. Letro not being the best choice as it takes so long to reach a stable level in the blood (4-6 weeks). Arimidex or Aromasin could be used here at a maintenence dose for the rets of the cycle, after you have stopped Nolva.

[The_Jackalope]

good info Swift. thnx!

-respect