WISEMEN Please help virgin.

[badassirishman]

Quick facts:
Age:22
5'8"
165
8% Body fat
5yrs gym time
(not that it matters)
Bench: 295
Squat:335
Deadlift:360
Goal: Solid lean retainable 10 - 15 lbs Strength is a ++ Not seeking size
Cycle: Possibly test,anavar,primo?

I've read all the substance profiles and suggested cycles but the info is overwhelming.I can figure the PCT out for myself but the cycle and stack options are a mystery.Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks wisemen.

[mousetraps]

I am on 500 mg/week of test for 12 weeks right now (as well as dbol @ 30mg for the first four weeks). I think you would find that test only at maybe 500-600 mg/week is a nice starter, something i wish i would have started with.

[badassirishman]

Ok so obviously test is the base for any solid first cycle. Any specific test rec.? thank you very much.

[Hunter]

test e or c becouse you only need to inject every 3.5 days for stable blood levels

[badassirishman]

Im starting to see the light. Thanks gentlemen

[briansauras]

The test ester you use depends on how often you can inject. Usually people suggest enth or cyp since it can be shot e3d. But if you have no prob with injection frequence and spot injection rotation then I would suggest test prop ED. Gains are quicker, more managable with less water retention.

[mousetraps]

test e or c becouse you only need to inject every 3.5 days for stable blood levels

you can even be a sissy like me and inject once a week!

[Growingpains]

you can even be a sissy like me and inject once a week!

Are you afraid of them?

[Growingpains]

If you looking from strength and some moderate size just do the classic newbie cycle.

1-12 500mgs/week - Test E
1-4 30-40mg/day - Dbol

If you are afraid of the Dbol bloat (body and diet dependent)
replace the dbol with Anavar or Winny.

GP

[perfectbeast2001]

you should get dome excellent gains off of a test only cycle. Once you know how you get on with test you can add another compound next time you cycle. That way you will be able to tell what you like and what gives you awful side effects. If you lump them all together for first stack you will never know.

[Mista Massive]

I am on 500 mg/week of test for 12 weeks right now (as well as dbol @ 30mg for the first four weeks). I think you would find that test only at maybe 500-600 mg/week is a nice starter, something i wish i would have started with.

Why do you regret not doing a test only cycle??

That's what i'm on now just to see how my body reacts
500mg/week Test E (250mg twice a week)

[mousetraps]

Are you afraid of them?

I just don't really look forward to it...

[mousetraps]

Why do you regret not doing a test only cycle??

That's what i'm on now just to see how my body reacts
500mg/week Test E (250mg twice a week)

I regret not doing test only for my first cycle. This is not my first. I regret it because of the loss of libido, and the gains not kept.

[trulbfan3]

I regret not doing test only for my first cycle. This is not my first. I regret it because of the loss of libido, and the gains not kept.

Loss of libido and gains not kept???? enlighten us with your first cycle that caused this???

[orton4]

i suggest test e or cyp at 500 mgs, so two injections a week, save the dbol and other compounds for later so you can see how you react to the test... also test prop is good but i wouldnt do it for first cycle,,, i just done a test prop cycle.. it was great like someone said earlier fast gains, lean muscle.. but ED injections of test prop hurt and could def turn a newbie off... great compound just kinda annoying and ED test prop shots for 10-12weeks get a bit old

[mousetraps]

first cycle was barely that.

It was finasol if you know what that was... tren ED at 75mg for about 8 weeks... I regret it because I have seen first hand the effect of something strong like trenbolone which supressed my natural testosterone greatly. a later cycle which was tbol only for 8 weeks caused almost no suppression oodly.

[Kale]

Quick facts:
Age:22
5'8"
165
8% Body fat
5yrs gym time
(not that it matters)
Bench: 295
Squat:335
Deadlift:360
Goal: Solid lean retainable 10 - 15 lbs Strength is a ++ Not seeking size
Cycle: Possibly test,anavar,primo?

I've read all the substance profiles and suggested cycles but the info is overwhelming.I can figure the PCT out for myself but the cycle and stack options are a mystery.Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks wisemen.

Dude with those stats you dont need juice you need food. You can gain alot more naturally before needing to embmark on a cycle.

[Mista Massive]

first cycle was barely that.

It was finasol if you know what that was... tren ED at 75mg for about 8 weeks... I regret it because I have seen first hand the effect of something strong like trenbolone which supressed my natural testosterone greatly. a later cycle which was tbol only for 8 weeks caused almost no suppression oodly.

So with your first couple of cycles, you had no test at all. I thought you did have test just stacked

[Mista Massive]

Loss of libido and gains not kept???? enlighten us with your first cycle that caused this???

Thats why a couple of us were confused

[BG]

Dude with those stats you dont need juice you need food. You can gain alot more naturally before needing to embmark on a cycle.

Agreed.I wouldnt recommend starting to supress natural hormone levels at your age.

[badassirishman]

I trully apreciate all the info. Thanks to all the wisemen who took the time to help me out.

[RA]

Thats not bad bench/squat/dead for 165lbs

[badassirishman]

Gracias, it's still lightyears from where i want to be. How bout them buckeyes roid attack?

[RA]

Gracias, it's still lightyears from where i want to be. How bout them buckeyes roid attack?

Well get em next year

[one8nine]

I just don't really look forward to it...

i do. keep my shit next to my bed, no better way to start every day than a 27g 1.5" full of aas

[KNOWNasJOE]

hahaha...one8nine you're sick. Waking up to a nice 1.5 in the ass...God that sounds awful.