Dbol kickstart or not?

[king6]

I'm planning a 12 week cycle of test e @ 500mg a week. I am also thinking of doing a dbol kickstart @ 30mg a day. This is my first cycle, 24 y/o 5'11" 185lbs. Lifting for 6 years. I was wondering what the difference in the gains would be at the end with and without a dbol cycle. From research I have gathered a very general conclusion that a test e only cycle would generate about 15 lbs of mass, whilst a test e with dbol kickstart would generate about 20. Keeping in mind this in a general observation. I would like to hear your take on this. I am aware dbol is a little hard on the sides, I want to know if the gains would be worth it.

[Benches505]

Dbol gives a nice strength and size boost while you are waiting for the test e to kick in.

[SMAN12b]

dbol is a common kickstart , but you need to be aware of what it is doing to you and that most of the weight gain from dbol is water weight that you will lose later. water retention can be a concern so you may want an AI to use during the cycle

[shrpskn]

I've always jumpstarted with dbol strictly for the sheer strength gains it would give me, as I'd await the long-estered gear to take hold.

-ShrpSkn

[123BJ]

dbol gave me some big time water weight, and the strength gains were great... I like it just because i didnt like waiting the 4-5 weeks for the test to kick in.. like shrp said

[king6]

So in the end would you say that most of the gains you keep are from test?
Do you keep any of the gains from dbol?

[king6]

Also would you say the sides are overated? The most common I hear is bloat. Have not really heard anyone have hairloss problems that did not already have some.

[MrMe]

I would do it king... You might get some bloat but it will help you start your gains and strength for when the test kicks in. The only sides i got from it was bloat and strength and size...

[king6]

I would do it king... You might get some bloat but it will help you start your gains and strength for when the test kicks in. The only sides i got from it was bloat and strength and size...

Yeah thats what I'm thinking. My only debate is whether or not to do 20mg/ed or 30mg/ed. This will be my first cycle.

[MrMe]

My first cycle i did 30mg and my second 40mg.

[king6]

My first cycle i did 30mg and my second 40mg.

Yeah I think 30 will yield pretty good results.

[SMAN12b]

Yeah thats what I'm thinking. My only debate is whether or not to do 20mg/ed or 30mg/ed. This will be my first cycle.

Since its your first time with it, you can try 20 for the first two weeks and see how you feel off that, then increase to 30 for the last two weeks if you don't feel your strength going up from it. Keep in mind it will take maybe a full week for it to really kick in . You should start to feel it in a couple days though.

[king6]

Since its your first time with it, you can try 20 for the first two weeks and see how you feel off that, then increase to 30 for the last two weeks if you don't feel your strength going up from it. Keep in mind it will take maybe a full week for it to really kick in . You should start to feel it in a couple days though.

Thats not a bad idea. Also how soon do you see results? My fear is that I will put on 15 lbs in a week. It's not that I'm afraid to get big, it's just that I want to keep a low profile. Don't really need people to know I'm juicing. I have heard people that take dbol will be normal one day then huge the next.

[SMAN12b]

everyone is different , but depending on your diet ect.... you may see about 5lbs a week the first 4 weeks on dbol, but again a lot of that will just be water weight not muscle. You will gain strength which is what you want entering the Test cycle, just realize that you will lose most of the water after proper PCT!! Good luck

[Ironarms2]

Kick start with Prop ED

[Anavar Man]

I agree i would use Prop. for the kick start. I plan on using T-bol and prop. for my kickstart in a few weeks.

[king6]

I agree i would use Prop. for the kick start. I plan on using T-bol and prop. for my kickstart in a few weeks.

Why would you need a kickstart with prop? Since Prop has such short esters wouldn't you see results from the test much faster?

[SMAN12b]

THey are saying you could use the PROP for the first 4-6 weeks ED AS your kickstart instead of Dbol.
Less water, but you got ED injections and most prop is painful !!!

[king6]

THey are saying you could use the PROP for the first 4-6 weeks ED AS your kickstart instead of Dbol.
Less water, but you got ED injections and most prop is painful !!!

Oh I see. Yeah I'm not sure I want to do that. I don't mind sticking myself, its just my stuff is coming from overseas, and even though its a reliable source I would like to cut down on the number of vials I have. I will already have 3 vials of test e. Which kind of makes me mad, because with a 12 week cycle @ 500mg/week I will just barely touch the third vial. Oh well. I'm not worried about the dbol as it comes in paper form.

[GHO5T]

i dont like oral aas at all like dbol, a bombs, winni tabs, never used them and never will, as for a kickstart ive always used either test suspension or test prop, and i see alot of bros saying prop or suspension shots are painful which i think is exaggerated

[Johny-too-small]

Oh I see. Yeah I'm not sure I want to do that. I don't mind sticking myself, its just my stuff is coming from overseas, and even though its a reliable source I would like to cut down on the number of vials I have. I will already have 3 vials of test e. Which kind of makes me mad, because with a 12 week cycle @ 500mg/week I will just barely touch the third vial, and thats another $100. Oh well. I'm not worried about the dbol as it comes in paper form.

$100 for a vial? OUCH! Sorry man, You got robbed! Anyway, good luck!

[Hellmaskbanned]

No price discussion.....

[SMAN12b]

i dont like oral aas at all like dbol, a bombs, winni tabs, never used them and never will, as for a kickstart ive always used either test suspension or test prop, and i see alot of bros saying prop or suspension shots are painful which i think is exaggerated

How did you run your suspension Ghost? I have read that it shoudl be shot at least twice a day if not three times a day due to no ester.

[GHO5T]

How did you run your suspension Ghost? I have read that it shoudl be shot at least twice a day if not three times a day due to no ester.

i ran it 150mg/ed, split up into 3 shots daily, morning, afternoon, night, for 4 weeks

[king6]

i ran it 150mg/ed, split up into 3 shots daily, morning, afternoon, night, for 4 weeks

Damn! You probably felt like a pin cushion.

[GHO5T]

Damn! You probably felt like a pin cushion.

good thing i ran it as a kickstart for only 4 weeks