Clen, Ephedrine, ECA, Which one is safer and better?

[jerseyda6]

Okay before people attack me about searching.. .I have searched and tried to get some info on this.. I have learned a little but there are just soooo many threads containing these words and so many of them contradict each other it is hard to kno whA to believe. Also with searching you get a lot of pointless threads involving these words, so I decided to make one of my own and ask.

My main goal is to loose body fat and keep my muscle. What would be the best product to take? I also have seen they are a couple of variations of the ECA stack.. and also I have asthma so I dunno if clen or the other ones will affect me negatively. Currently I take a small dose of caffine and asprin and do around 30 min of cardio about 4x a week.... thanks for all you opinions and input...which is the safest and most effective for body fat loss????

(also not lookin to take anything illegal here in the usa)

[Dangerdan]

All have advantages, disadvantages. Try reading the profiles and useing the search function if you haven't already. Personally I like t3 more than any of those.

[Tommy Boy]

I like ECA. But ephed, as you know, is a bronchodilator, which may or may not interfere with any meds you might be on.
I don't have asthma, and it really opens my breathing. 25mg ephedra combined with 2 or 3 cups of STRONG coffee, an aspirin, it has just enough kick for a 45-90 minute workout.
Clen eats both fat and muscle. JMTCW.

[Snrf]

clen is just horrible, i bought some of lions, i did 20mcg the first day and felt like i was on some horrible comedown or something...left it 2 weeks did 20mcg this morning and felt horrible again....i'm never touching the stuff again, total waste of 60 bucks.

[Hellmaskbanned]

WHat bodyfat % are you at?

Most likely clen/ephedrine isn't what you need.

[KNOWNasJOE]

I agree. Give us your stats first and we can give better info.

[jerseyda6]

thanks for the quick replies... uhmm first.. can someone clear up what exactly is ECA... from my understanding it is Ephedra, Caffine And asprin.. is this right? Also is ephedra legal in the USA?

uhmm... seecondly.. wha stats do you want about me.. I would be more then happy to give em... Here is a lil background..

I joined a gym about 3 weeks ago... Changed my diet to about 6 small meals aday and try and get mostly protein and completely cut soda and fast food out of my life. I primilary drink water and once in a while juice. I work out about 4 times a week and do a very basic work out routine followed by 30 min of cardio on a EFX machine. Currently I take Juice Plus supplment (a vitimin I have been taking for a while.. I like it over many of the other mainstream vitimins) I take this in the mornin and at night. I also take a CLA and Fish oil supplment 2x a day. Before workout I take Creatine and soy protein shake (yes I kno it sucks but I am allergic to whey) also take caffine. That is about it. I am not sure what my body fat % is... I will try and find out. I currently weigh 220 and was 228. It prolly is mostly body fat... anything you wanna know just let me know... thanks for all the help!!!!!!!

[Tommy Boy]

1. Yes. ECA is Ephedra, caff, and aspirin.

2. Yes. You can buy at most on-line supp. sites.

3. Keep lifting. Hard and heavy and eat everything in sight.

4. Don't use steroids until you have exhausted your natural strength limits.
Probably take about 4-5 years.

5. Don't use steroids.

[lifterjaydawg]

clen works well, but it is strong. You have to do your research.

[jerseyda6]

thanks tommy boy... believe me i am far far far away from steroids.. most likely will never use them.. i am not tryna be a big huge body builderwith vains and bulging muscles i have never noticied before...dont take this the wrong way if thats you.. then thats you do your thing but thats not me.. juss wanna loose body fat and gain some muscle...i had juss heard about this clen and eca and it works really really well for losing fat...

[lifterjaydawg]

All you need to know about clen.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240

[judostar]

(also not lookin to take anything illegal here in the usa)
Clen/Ephedria/and Ephderian are all elligal to buy and sell in the U.S. (by them selves you may still find them in certian medications) be carefull with clen (im gunna catch a lot of s*** for this one) it is a asthma drug but I have asthma and once I started takin clen I was in the hospital within a week becouse i was having a sever attack that is why i stopped clen and will never use it again

[jerseyda6]

okay so clen is out of the question... dont wanna end up in a hospital for a week cuz I prolly will have a similar reaction I have asthma too.....

so wha info is there on the ECA stack... can anyone confirm that ephedra is illegal?????? and if it is not illegal how can it be obtained? Is it in anything else such as a over the counter drug??? Also wha are the side affects??? pros and cons type thing... Thanks for all the help!!!!!!!!!!!

[judostar]

Man im not 100% sure but i know that no supplement store in indiana will sell it and no pharmacy will carry it becouse it is a main ingrediant in meth i am sure that it was illgal while i was in the service and that was from 2002 until 2005 so i dont know for sure now ephderian i have seen sold in little packets at the gas station but i think that is a scam they look like caffine pills. if you want to be real safe just try some Lipo 6 or redline is a good namebrand legal mass reducing supplement i have used both in the past and liked them but i wanted quicker results wich is why im here stay away from hydroxcut (it does not work without the ephedera it used to be the main ingrediant). Good luck bro.

[jerseyda6]

thanks..so hydrocut = bad dont work??? and lipo-6 and redline work good for weight loss??? what is their active ingredient? side affects??? so i am assuming it will not be as strong as ECA???

[judostar]

wont be near as strong. Lipo 6, some info it was rated #1 fat loss product of the year by bodybuilding.com ingreds Synephrine HCL, Yohinbine HCL, Caffine, Bioperine and other fillers it is a liquid capsule. As for redline you can take it as a pill but I drank it and it is kind of like a energy drink with fat burning effect only side affect you go from feeling hot to feeling cold and then hot again.

[jerseyda6]

on a scale from 1-10 how would you rate it for burning fat????

[judostar]

Lipo 6 is a 7 and redline is a 6

[jerseyda6]

anyone else have experience with lipo 6?