Pre First Cycle Question

[kynetguy]

I posted a while back about a cycle I was planning on running once I got my body fat down. Muscle is there, I just need to get the insulation off. :-)

My question now is a two part question. Please resond to both parts, if you so kindly would please.

Now I am considering adding Clen/T3/Taurine to my routine/diet/cardio to assist in fat burning. I am planning to do 2wk on/1wk off with benydryl/2wk on. If I still need to get my BF down a bit more, I will wait 2 wks and then re-evaluate the need for Clen.

Now my concern is I have made some gains natty in the gym. Everyone warns of the catabolic effects of clen. Well I definately don't want to catabolize all my lean gains away. So with that in mind I am not planning on going over 100mcg/D, which I will ramp up to from 60mcg over the course of the first 4 days.

A lot of you recommend some sort of anabolic with a clen cycle to reduce catabolism. I think most have recommended dbol. I might be incorrect on that.

I am not opposed to doing that. But I would like to run a full cycle in Jan or Feb provided I get my contacts in order.

Question 1
Should I chose to run say winny/dbol with the clen for a first time for both? If I chose to say run a 6 week cycle of clen, 2 on 2 off 2 on with dbol or winny, would you run letro, nolva or chlomid PCT? I am thinking Letro. How long would you recommend to wait thereafter to run a test c/deca/dbol cycle? I can post full cycle details if needed. Its a pretty standard 12 week 400/400/40 newb cycle though.

Question 2
I have heard of a couple first timers here locally that ran either Winny or dbol alone for 6-8 weeks. I would have to presume that if it was winny that they were taking 50mg/day and 40mg if it was dbol. Again, I am not positive. I witnessed their gains, not bad, probablly 12-15lbs of mostly lean mass. But my question about that is this typical? WOuldn't you need a Test to go with that? I am under the impression they did orals. Of course they were dealing with virgin receptors and were eating clean diets.

Have I asked too many newb questions for one post?

[magic32]

kynetguy - I posted a while back about a cycle I was planning on running once I got my body fat down. Muscle is there, I just need to get the insulation off. :-)

My question now is a two part question. Please resond to both parts, if you so kindly would please.

Now I am considering adding Clen/T3/Taurine to my routine/diet/cardio to assist in fat burning. I am planning to do 2wk on/1wk off with benydryl/2wk on. WRONG METHOD. BENADRYL IS EMPLOYED TO PERMIT UNINTERRUPTED USAGE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE A WEEK OFF, THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN ANTIHISTAMINE.

If I still need to get my BF down a bit more, I will wait 2 wks and then re-evaluate the need for Clen.

Now my concern is I have made some gains natty in the gym. Everyone warns of the catabolic effects of clen. Well I definately don't want to catabolize all my lean gains away. So with that in mind I am not planning on going over 100mcg/D, which I will ramp up to from 60mcg over the course of the first 4 days. DON'T CONCERN YOURSELF WITH SUCH HERESEY, CLEN IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO OVERWHELM A HIGH PROTEIN DIET (THAT'S A T3 CHARACTERISTIC)...FEEL FREE TO EXCEED 100MCGS OF CLEN...DO SOME READING.
A lot of you recommend some sort of anabolic with a clen cycle to reduce catabolism. UNNECESSARY AS ILLUSTRATED ABOVE. I think most have recommended dbol. I might be incorrect on that.

I am not opposed to doing that. But I would like to run a full cycle in Jan or Feb provided I get my contacts in order.

Question 1
Should I chose to run say winny/dbol with the clen for a first time for both? NOT RECOMMENDED.

If I chose to say run a 6 week cycle of clen, 2 on 2 off 2 on with dbol or winny, would you run letro, nolva or chlomid PCT? I am thinking Letro. How long would you recommend to wait thereafter to run a test c/deca/dbol cycle? I can post full cycle details if needed. Its a pretty standard 12 week 400/400/40 newb cycle though. IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST CYCLE KEEP THE COCKTAIL SIMPLE..."TEST ONLY", OR "TEST ENDING WITH WINNIE" (THIS WILL GIVE YOU TIME TO SEE HOW TEST EFFECTS YOU PRIOR TO THE ADDITION.

Question 2
I have heard of a couple first timers here locally that ran either Winny or dbol alone for 6-8 weeks. I would have to presume that if it was winny that they were taking 50mg/day and 40mg if it was dbol. Again, I am not positive. I witnessed their gains, not bad, probablly 12-15lbs of mostly lean mass. But my question about that is this typical? WOuldn't you need a Test to go with that? BINGO! ORALS ARE BEST IN A TEST BASE. I am under the impression they did orals. Of course they were dealing with virgin receptors and were eating clean diets. SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO RUN AN ORAL ONLY CYCLE, AS MANY DO, GO WITH WINNIE. DBOL WITHOUT TEST WASTES TIME AND MONEY.

Have I asked too many newb questions for one post? YES! YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOME INDEPENDENT RESEARCH (READING/STUDYING)...PERFORM THREAD SEARCHES AND RE-READ PROFILES.

M.

[kynetguy]

Have I asked too many newb questions for one post? YES! YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOME INDEPENDENT RESEARCH (READING/STUDYING)...PERFORM THREAD SEARCHES AND RE-READ PROFILES.

M.

Actually I have. Mostly on here, which is what has lead me to some confusioin.

The winnstrol/clen came from several "vetrans" here suggesting you need to run an anabolic with a clen cycle to minimize lose. Do a search on this site and you will find several. Jack87's 6 week clen/t3 cutting cycle comes to mind. I seem to recall Beast recommending it too. Both seem knowldgable and respected here in your clique.

I apologize for accusing Clen of being the catabolistic compound in a Clen/T3 Cycle. That was just newb error.

The Clen/Winstrol cycle and people saying they ran only winnie combined with the RESEARCH I have done was confusing due to the fact that SO MANY people here recommend test with orals because the common consensus here seems to be that orals without test is a waste.

But thanks for answering Question #2. I am just trying to put together some of the information I am finding here. Sorry for being a newb.

[Manpretty]

clen is anticatabolic so i guess all that research youve done......well do it again and learn how to read