developing gyno despite LOTS of AI/SERM

[MAXIMA5]

I just tried a new lab this cycle. I get my gear and all AI/SERMS. The serms/AI are liquid oral form.

I am running;

Prop 100 mg ED
Tren 70 mg ED
Tbol 40 mg ED
Var 60 mg ED


I started out runnin .25 mg Arimidex and 10mg Nolva ED

Due to increase in puffiness, I am now up to almost 1 mg of armidex and 20 mg Nolva DURING CYCLE!

I just ordered some more letro from the sponsor. It can;t get here soon enough.

I am planning on dropping the nolva and the arimidex and hitting the letro hard when it gets here tomorrow or the following day.

Any comments?

[spywizard]

prolactin from the tren.. take bromo or dosinex..sp...

good luck..

[MAXIMA5]

Bromo or dosinex?

Where would one acquire such things?

I'm also running tons of B6. What do you think about switching from Arimidex/Nolva to just letro?

[MAXIMA5]

So if I'm taking high doses of AI/Serms, and the gyno is from prolactin, then I'm just depleting my estrogen, which may hinder my gains?

[clomid222]

B6 is good as a preventative measure against prolactin, you shouldn't run more than 200 mg ED (because it's can be toxic in large doses) and it will only work to a very limited extent.

I would get bromo or dostinex asap, PM me...

You won't be getting progesterone/prolactin gyno without the existance of estrogen... the letro will definitely help with this.

In the mean time, keep the a-dex at 1-mg ED, a-dex takes a bit longer to lower the estrodial levels.

[reddragon4954]

CUT OUT THE NOLVA!!! Tren deals with progestin related gyno and nolva actually makes it more of an issue. Your shooting yourself in the foot by running that. Also get on .50mg of letro. Run 200mg b6 ed.

[clomid222]

So if I'm taking high doses of AI/Serms, and the gyno is from prolactin, then I'm just depleting my estrogen, which may hinder my gains?

If the gyno is from prolactin controlling your estrogen levels will control the gyno.

AIs will help.
SERMs like Nolva will NOT help because they block the estrogen receptors and not the prolactin/progesterone receptors.

Taking large doses of AIs will hinder your gains slightly, but it's much better than getting gyno.

To get the best gains I would have started your cycle with .25 mg of Arimidex ED and no nolva unless I felt the onset of gyno at which time I would bump the nolva to 40 mg ED and the Arimidex to .5 mg ED. I would have also had bromo or dostinex on hand because the Tren is much more likely to cause gyno with your cycle than the Test Prop.

[MAXIMA5]

cool, thanks guys. I'll save the nolva for PCT.
This really sucks. Gotta be the tren bcause I never got this before on a non-tren cycle.

[clomid222]

Saving the nolva for PCT is usually the best route to take. Use AIs on cycle and only take a SERM during your cycle if you are getting Test related gyno.

I would always have dostinex or bromo on hand BEFORE starting any cycle containing tren.

[spywizard]

Bromo or dosinex?

Where would one acquire such things?

I'm also running tons of B6. What do you think about switching from Arimidex/Nolva to just letro?

if you have gyno, if you have a lump, if you really are sure it's not chest fat with water retention??

yes letro will be great... but say goodbye to your little buddy.. oh, he'll come back.. and read up on letro rebound..

hope that helps..

[MAXIMA5]

ok, so dostinex or Bromo, or both at the same time. Which is better?

[MAXIMA5]

Also, should I cut the tren back to 50mg ED for a while?

[guest589745]

You should have run cabergoline adn one AI instead IMO.

Nolva has pro progestin properties so I would not run it with tren at all, let alone increase the dose. An increased AI dose would be better. Arimidex or letro.

"Tons" of B6 isn't a good thing. I have seen a study that stated it basically halted androgen receptor activity.

Hope your new lab isn't giving ya underdosed/fake shit.

[Hard Head]

You should not run Nolva with Adex in any case since the Nolva reduces the effectiveness of the Adex significantly. If you run Nolva with an AI, it should be extremesane.

[guest589745]

You should not run Nolva with Adex in any case since the Nolva reduces the effectiveness of the Adex significantly. If you run Nolva with an AI, it should be extremesane.

You can just run it but increase the AI dose, no biggie.

[Swifto]

You should have run cabergoline adn one AI instead IMO.

Nolva has pro progestin properties so I would not run it with tren at all, let alone increase the dose. An increased AI dose would be better. Arimidex or letro.

"Tons" of B6 isn't a good thing. I have seen a study that stated it basically halted androgen receptor activity.
Hope your new lab isn't giving ya underdosed/fake shit.

It reduces androgen gene transcription.

Aswell as doing damge to your CNS. I wouldnt be using it at all personally. If I HAD to, it would be no more than 50mg/ED.

Keep using the Arimidex at 0.75-1mg/ED and start the Letro too. Run both for 3-4 weeks then drop off the A-Dex as it taked 4-5 weeks for Letro to be at the most effective stable levels in the blood.

Arimidex and Nolva also dont work well together. Use a higher dose of Arimidex if using both as Nolva can reduce the effectiveness of it by around 27%.

Nolva and 19-Nor's dont work well either. Letro and 19-Nor's do.

See what works for you. What works for one, may not another.

[MAXIMA5]

thanks.

[Swifto]

You should not run Nolva with Adex in any case since the Nolva reduces the effectiveness of the Adex significantly. If you run Nolva with an AI, it should be extremesane.

27% isnt significantly IMHO. If so, run a higher dose of Arimidex. I had an entire thread on this subject.