Advice for the Advanced Youth

[qw1ck2]

My younger brother who is 17 has been working out hardcore for about 4 years now. He currently weights in at 170lb at 12%bf and 6'. His stats consist of 385 bench. 510 dead lift, and not sure on his squat. He knows i dabble in the use of as. and is wanting to get into it himself. but im not sure what to tell him. he doesnt look like he weighs in at 170lb, but more like 190lb. any advice?

[bbplaya21]

hes way to young. doin ASS now will mess him up in the future with his hormones.

[Kale]

Advice ? Sure. Tell him NO !!!!! Now read this

Whats the right age to take steroids (GOOD READ)
"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[qw1ck2]

i know, i feel as if he can reach 200 lbs if he modified his diet again by mid summer. but he feels as if he's hit his wall, not in size but strength...

[Kale]

i know, i feel as if he can reach 200 lbs if he modified his diet again by mid summer. but he feels as if he's hit his wall, not in size but strength...

Complete and utter bullshit, He will end up doing it anyway so I am out of this thread. !!!

[qw1ck2]

nah i look after my lil bro, he takes what i tell him very serious. i think that if talk to him about entering lifting competitions that it might provide some type of incentive or something...

[Kale]

nah i look after my lil bro, he takes what i tell him very serious. i think that if talk to him about entering lifting competitions that it might provide some type of incentive or something...

Dude trust me, his problem will be diet. At his height and weight and at 17 he will grow like crazy if he gets that dialed in. Juice is not the answer here.

[qw1ck2]

im agreeing that juice isnt the answer. but what do you think he should take. the only thing the kid has ever taken is whey protein. and for his age, hes doing pretty damn good

[qw1ck2]

dont got any pics on this comp of him other than this one.

[Kale]

Post up his daily diet and we can help him a lot. Really he doesnt need to take anything other than clean food and protein and maybe a muti vitamin.

[qw1ck2]

diet ...well since its winter time and hes trying to gain weight i told him he as much food as often as he can but try to keep it mostly clean. pretty he sees food he eats it. not like hes gonna gain fat, thats just not his body type. i was thinking about loading him up with creatine mono, for size and some amino acids, and a good multi v.

[qw1ck2]

should his diet be changed to something more constricting or leave to eating everything in site?

[Kale]

It needs to be clean and lots of it. Creatin and amino's is OK as well. Here is a sample diet for bulking

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat



Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat



Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.


Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat



Workout


Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat



Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat



Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat



Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat


That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

[Manpretty]

HAHAHHAHAHA there is no way he benches 385 weighing 170 HAHAHAH i can only assume you were kidding and that dead is pretty unbelievable too........i am 90% sure he isnt doing the excercise properly
bench: bar should touch the chest and then come back up NOT move the bar 2-3" teach him proper form before he ever touches roids

[boostedevo8]

i call BS on the bench and dead lift .....dude hes too small for that amount of power

[GHO5T]

dont got any pics on this comp of him other than this one.

dont want to sound like a d*ck bro, but anyone who looks at this pic will no that theres no way this bro can bench 385, and a 510 on the dead lift, no way especially with his stats, age 17 weight 170, haha i would have to see it to believe it

[qw1ck2]

he doesnt play ball, so when he does bench he hits 90 degrees and goes up from there. you dont have to believe it, niether do other people that spot him in the gym till he does it. i used hit my chest but dont anymore unless im doing db press. he can also curl 75 lb db's 4 times....

[Manpretty]

like it was said by ghost .....id have to see it to believe it......and even then id think it was a magic trick.......ps if he can actually do that tell him to start Power Lifting
mind telling me what he can a bench with a full rep...........

[kaberle_15]

After looking at the pic I say it's all b.s. too and there is so much more room there to fill out his body, food and creatine is all he should be using.......17 is still a baby and AAS will hurt him a whole lot more than its gonna help him.

[qw1ck2]

he can rep out 315 8 times. 365 3 times. for his size he is rather strong, btw, that pic his him at 170. weighed him today and he is 181.

[kaberle_15]

Regardless of how much he can lift which I dont think anybody here cares, he should not use aas period. Now I think I hear him struggling on his 600lb bench you better go spot him

[qw1ck2]

well regardless of what you guys think, id like to thank kale for setting him on a simple diet.

ps kaberle, manpretty asked his rep...

[MuscleScience]

Yeah keep him off the juice, My buddy is a intinsive care nurse and he has see like 5 highschool kids in his area in the last two years from juice.

[dsmdrew]

bs bs waste of a post and a waste of my time reading it

[ThizzKing]

Id tell him the dangers of taking gear, but its up to him whether or not he wants to take it. If he does, he will like what he sees

[Mesomorphyl]

He needs not to worry about steroids but he does need to get with a power lifting coach and win the gold at the olympics(with those lifts he should break world records if trained properly)

[SS1476]

nah i look after my lil bro, he takes what i tell him very serious. i think that if talk to him about entering lifting competitions that it might provide some type of incentive or something...

Way to be a great bro
Hes got plenty of time for AAS.
Whynot help him grow naturally..

He's too young,you know this.

Thizz,your advice sux..sorry but true.
Not just here,but elsewhere as well.

[GHO5T]

Id tell him the dangers of taking gear, but its up to him whether or not he wants to take it. If he does, he will like what he sees

what kind of advice is this bro

[marcus300]

Forget AAS and go and eat and train for a few years

[Kale]

Id tell him the dangers of taking gear, but its up to him whether or not he wants to take it. If he does, he will like what he sees

Dude you are an idiot plain and simple, and I suspect 17 as well. Please refrain from giving crap advice !!!