Which is Best/Safest during cycle - AI or SERM???

[BGIZZLE8629]

Whats up?? First of all I am wondering what the BesT and SafesT AI is to use during a cycle.....

Arimidex (anastrozole)
Aromasin (exemestane)
ATD (androstatrienedione)
Cytadren (aminoglutethimide)
Faslodex (fulvestrant)
Femara (letrozole)
Lentaron (formestane)
Proviron (mesterolone) - (can be viewed as AI or Anti-Estrogen)
Teslac (testolactone)

I know that AI tend to have a very negative impact on HDL (good) cholesterol levels which obviously can be bad for the cardiovascular system. So, which one is the best (@ suppressing the total estrogen production) and which one is the worst (worst impact on cholesterol levels)??

Now, I know that some of you dont really like to use SERMs during cycle but I seem to be more gyno prone so I am definately going to use either a SERM or an AI during my cycle, but as of right now, I am definately thinking about incorporating a SERM and an "AI" (proviron) into my cycle because of the bad things that I have read about the true AIs - (Femara, Arimidex, ect...)

With that being said, What do you guys think the Best SERM/Anti-Estrogen is?? Any combination of SERM and AI is also an option (Nolva+Prov.)

Clomid (clomiphene citrate)
Cyclofenil
Evista (raloxifene)
Fareston (toremifene citrate)
Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate)

Thanks for the inputs/advice/suggestions/info based on your experiences.

[bossman_1986]

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[Danbrooks2k]

.5 mg of armidex and 25 mg of nolva... great as far as I am concerned...

clomid is the devil and I will never use it again!

[Kale]

Arimidex for me anyday

[cj1capp]

i have come to belive letrozole is the best for me.

[BGIZZLE8629]

why is clomid the devil?

[goose]

Aromasin

Proviron

Teslac is the best,the injectable form.

[BGIZZLE8629]

"Aromasin

Proviron

Teslac is the best,the injectable form."

Ok, what do you think the best SERM is? and why

[BGIZZLE8629]

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[MAXIMA5]

If you're running tren, don't run any form of SERM. trust me, I began developing prolactin related gyno and the nolva made it worse.

I would just go with arimidex, and phase into letro if gyno occurs

[taiboxa]

on cycle (which always has a good ol nor group) i run only letro
cruising i use nolva to get my lipid profile up to par
pct i run nolva/arom together
that should cover it

[bossman_1986]

so if u start getting gyno symptoms during a cycle should u use the arimidex or the nolvadex?? cause nolvadex acts quicker than arimidex

[Ufa]

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[MAXIMA5]

so if u start getting gyno symptoms during a cycle should u use the arimidex or the nolvadex?? cause nolvadex acts quicker than arimidex

Depends what your cycle consists of. If tren is involved, you should only use letro and dostinex. NO NOLVA WITH TREN!

If it is a non-tren cycle, then you can use letro or Arimidex and maybe a small nolva dose. If gyno gets worse, drop the nolva.

Nolva reacts in the body like estrogen, it just beats the estrogen to the receptors. This does, however, cause estrogen related symptoms in some people.

I save the nolva for Pct and just run an AI (arimidex or letro) during cycle.

[taiboxa]

Depends what your cycle consists of. If tren is involved, you should only use letro and dostinex. NO NOLVA WITH TREN!

If it is a non-tren cycle, then you can use letro or Arimidex and maybe a small nolva dose. If gyno gets worse, drop the nolva.

Nolva reacts in the body like estrogen, it just beats the estrogen to the receptors. This does, however, cause estrogen related symptoms in some people.

I save the nolva for Pct and just run an AI (arimidex or letro) during cycle.

it kinda is estrogen

[bossman_1986]

Depends what your cycle consists of. If tren is involved, you should only use letro and dostinex. NO NOLVA WITH TREN!

If it is a non-tren cycle, then you can use letro or Arimidex and maybe a small nolva dose. If gyno gets worse, drop the nolva.

Nolva reacts in the body like estrogen, it just beats the estrogen to the receptors. This does, however, cause estrogen related symptoms in some people.

I save the nolva for Pct and just run an AI (arimidex or letro) during cycle.

im doing a cycle of enanthate, deca and d-bol

since deca is a nor i guess arimidex would be better, but how much does using arimidex reduce gains? like is it really noticably reduced or what?

[briansauras]

im doing a cycle of enanthate, deca and d-bol

since deca is a nor i guess arimidex would be better, but how much does using arimidex reduce gains? like is it really noticably reduced or what?

letro would be better with deca. 0.25mg-0.5mg ED from wk0-pct. raise the dose by 0.25mg ED if you nips get tender. then when it subsides drop down 0.25mg ED until you are at starting dose.

[bossman_1986]

letro would be better with deca. 0.25mg-0.5mg ED from wk0-pct. raise the dose by 0.25mg ED if you nips get tender. then when it subsides drop down 0.25mg ED until you are at starting dose.

why would letro be better??

[MAXIMA5]

why would letro be better??

Letro is supposedly the only AI that can penetrate the fat cell membrane in and around the nipple area.

[fLgAtOr]

I really don't see the point of running Nolva during your cycle (aside from lipids, which will be fvcked anyways). I think its ineffective (for me personally) against gyno and most importantly, it doesn't address the root of the problem, which is estrogen. It does not control bloat, acne, and others that can be caused by high levels of circulating estrogen.

Use an AI. Period. Arimidex if you aren't gyno sensitive, letro if you are. Want some estro floating around? Adjust your dosage...Its that simple. "Oh my god, letro has so many sides!" Thats cuase you take too much.

This is just my 2 CCs...But I think Nolva while ON is old school. There are still profiles floating around that say to take nolva to reduce bloat...Why?????

Another note to add...some compounds make the job of an AI much harder. I overlapped tren and Dbol, and 2.5 mg ED of letro couldn't fix my symptoms. Tren and Drol, not even so much as an itch! Weird.

[BGIZZLE8629]

So what would be the best thing for me to use if I am doing this kind of a cycle.....

TEST CYP. 400-500mg/wk 10-12 weeks
Proviron 25mg/wk throughout entire cycle/PCT
(POSSIBLY) D-Bol 20mg/day for first 5wks
(POSSIBLY) Winstrol 25-50 mg/day for ??
(POSSIBLY) Anavay 50-80 mg/day for ??

Thanks

[MAXIMA5]

So what would be the best thing for me to use if I am doing this kind of a cycle.....

TEST CYP. 400-500mg/wk 10-12 weeks
Proviron 25mg/wk throughout entire cycle/PCT
(POSSIBLY) D-Bol 20mg/day for first 5wks
(POSSIBLY) Winstrol 25-50 mg/day for ??
(POSSIBLY) Anavay 50-80 mg/day for ??

Thanks

Proviron needs to be run every day

20mg dbol may be too little. 30-40 is norm

if you're going to run dbol at the beginning, then you need to pick winny or anavar for then end. NOT BOTH.

Have you ever used any of the three orals you listed?

What are your goals? lean mass, or just weight gain?

[BGIZZLE8629]

"Proviron needs to be run every day

20mg dbol may be too little. 30-40 is norm

if you're going to run dbol at the beginning, then you need to pick winny or anavar for then end. NOT BOTH.

Have you ever used any of the three orals you listed?

What are your goals? lean mass, or just weight gain?"

yea I was going to do proviron @ 25/DAY not per week. My bad on that but anyways, I have NEVER used any of those 3 orals. Nor have I ever used in orals in fact.

My goals are definately LEAN MASS.

What do you think about something like

400-500mg/wk of CYPIONATE-wks 1-10 or 12
25mg/ed of PROVIRON - throughout entire cycle and PCT
50mg/ed of ANAVAR - weeks 1-4 or 5
25-50mg/ed of WINNY - wks 8-10 or 8-12

does that look stupid or alright? I just need some Suggestions and sh*t, Like I said I dont know how/when to incorporate different substances into a cycle. Thanks

[BGIZZLE8629]

has anyone ever used Letro and Proviron during a cycle???

[shredzs]

letro works best for me on cycle @ .25mg

[BGIZZLE8629]

"letro works best for me on cycle @ .25mg" have you used it with proviron??

[shredzs]

no I have never used it with proviron,why?

[Swifto]

I surprised many havent stated Aromasin being the best. Apart from not impacting progesterone/prolactin levels, why is Letro better?

It may be cheaper, but its not better IMO. Letro should only be used for precompettition, using 19-Nor's, VERY prone to estrogenic sides or massive doses of aromotasables.

Aromasin all the way.

[MAXIMA5]

Aromasin all the way.

Defnititely for pct. I use aromasin / nolva / proviron

during cycle I like th letro because I am gyno prone (or paranoid)

[MAXIMA5]

BGIZZLE,

you should start a new thread about your cycle. You'll get more feedback. You kind of hijacked your own thread when you started asking about winny, anavar, etc...

I'll see you in your new thread.

[MAXIMA5]

In regards to proviron, I thinkit works well when added to any cycle or PCT.
I definitely wouldn't consider i a core element of a cycle though. Just a good addition.

[bossman_1986]

ive had gyno since puberty and got it removed 3 months ago, i did a cycle last year and my nipples got itchy and started using nolvadex but i think it still got a little bigger, so do u think i should be using letro or arimidex during cycles or should i wait until it gets itchy or get other symtoms before using an AI

[MAXIMA5]

ive had gyno since puberty and got it removed 3 months ago, i did a cycle last year and my nipples got itchy and started using nolvadex but i think it still got a little bigger, so do u think i should be using letro or arimidex during cycles or should i wait until it gets itchy or get other symtoms before using an AI

If you had your glands removed, then you dont need to worry about gyno anymore.

too much estrogen can still be detrimental, so a small AI dose couldnt hurt, IMO.

[stitch1967]

as far as arimidex and lipid levels...I have seen info in threads that indicate that it does not have a negative affect on those levels.

[BGIZZLE8629]

I know. I did kind of Hijack my own thread, didnt i. Haha. i am going to start a new one. Thanks

[fLgAtOr]

as far as arimidex and lipid levels...I have seen info in threads that indicate that it does not have a negative affect on those levels.

I've always thought that AIs' effects on lipids were more estrogen related. In otherwords, it is the lowering of estro beyond normal ranges that cuases lipids to go whack......Why I just used the word "whack" I have no idea.

Anyone?

[taiboxa]

SPERM is far safer..

[fLgAtOr]

SPERM is far safer..

BWAHAHHA...Oh is it?

[BGIZZLE8629]

ok, I think that I am not going to use the proviron or the nolva during the cycle but I am going to use the arimidex.... When should I start it though? 2wks before the cycle or something?

Shredz:
no I have never used it with proviron,why?

because I was (at the time) thinking about using both during a cycle... why else?

[BGIZZLE8629]

also, should nolva and arimidex really not be used at the same time or not? because I have read plenty of posts of people who are/were using both at the same time.

also, if I am going to run hcg in wks 4-5 and 9-10 @500iu e4d, do I really need to throw nolva in there(if I havent been using it the whole time)???

and what if I am using arimidex and then I do my hcg and use nolva while i am doing that? is there going to be anything detrumental happen?

One more thing, I heard that letro can have a rebound effect on estrogen levels..is this true??? thanks for the info.