Short cycle options......

**briansauras** · 12-04-2006, 01:33 PM

Going to try the short/heavy theory out. Do you think one will benefit more over the other if my goal is lean mass....I would seriously be happy with 5-7lbs of muscle with 0 fat gain. Inj frequency and volume dont bother me.

#1
wk1-4 200mg prop ED
wk1-3 150mg tren ED
wk1-3 150mg mast ED

#2
wk1-4 200mg suspension ED
wk1-3 150mg tren base ED
wk1-3 150mg bold base ED

I would like to use npp/nandro base in place of mast or bold base but Im still deciding if I want it to be present for ~18months......

**taiboxa** · 12-04-2006, 01:38 PM

short cycles are great but they are far more effective on a cruising type of regiment because when u run a nor group suppression doesnt just cease it is elongated out due to the metabolites especialy the metabolites that will be produced when ran at higher doses since the active life/halflife regiment of most compounds are not based on how we utilize em.. higher dose great duration for halflife to decrease to minimal amount.

u want 5-7lb muscle? NATURALY an experienced lifter can put on bout 8lbs of muscle... oh in about a YEAR.. i would be happy w/ 2lbs of muscle in 4wks on cycle unless ur an ethiopian.

i suggest a blitz cycle only to be linked to either a smaller simpler cycle to stabilize gaines or cruising regiment.. either way i would run masteron out 1 week longer for sure.. not the MOST ideal set up of blitz/burst types of cycles but feasible non the less

**briansauras** · 12-04-2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

short cycles are great but they are far more effective on a cruising type of regiment because when u run a nor group suppression doesnt just cease it is elongated out due to the metabolites especialy the metabolites that will be produced when ran at higher doses since the active life/halflife regiment of most compounds are not based on how we utilize em.. higher dose great duration for halflife to decrease to minimal amount.

u want 5-7lb muscle? NATURALY an experienced lifter can put on bout 8lbs of muscle... oh in about a YEAR.. i would be happy w/ 2lbs of muscle in 4wks on cycle unless ur an ethiopian.

i suggest a blitz cycle only to be linked to either a smaller simpler cycle to stabilize gaines or cruising regiment.. either way i would run masteron out 1 week longer for sure.. not the MOST ideal set up of blitz/burst types of cycles but feasible non the less

thanks, i guess 5-7lbs is asking alittle much lol

**taiboxa** · 12-04-2006, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

thanks, i guess 5-7lbs is asking alittle much lol

lol yeah thats more of a 20wkr to get that

**briansauras** · 12-04-2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

lol yeah thats more of a 20wkr to get that

fvck 1-4.....20wks at those doses lol

how do you feel about no esters vs short esters in that type of situation? Iv used suspension before and love it(maybe its just in my head). But would there be any noticable diff except maybe quicker in and out?

**taiboxa** · 12-04-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

fvck 1-4.....20wks at those doses lol

how do you feel about no esters vs short esters in that type of situation? Iv used suspension before and love it(maybe its just in my head). But would there be any noticable diff except maybe quicker in and out?

short esters are much easier to regulate, no esters while more potent they die out to fast imo. since u got about a 30% ester weight attached to them just increase ur dose accordingly

**briansauras** · 12-04-2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

short esters are much easier to regulate, no esters while more potent they die out to fast imo. since u got about a 30% ester weight attached to them just increase ur dose accordingly

I think I might actually run the test/tren /mast at the same dose/duration. Wouldnt they all be out of you system at about the same time, so whats the point of running test past tren/mast unless its a test based cycle right? Last time I ran test/tren at the same dose, I dont know if I was just lazy or really lose some libido....

**taiboxa** · 12-04-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

I think I might actually run the test/tren/mast at the same dose/duration. Wouldnt they all be out of you system at about the same time, so whats the point of running test past tren/mast unless its a test based cycle right? Last time I ran test/tren at the same dose, I dont know if I was just lazy or really lose some libido....

metabolites

**briansauras** · 12-04-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

metabolites

can you explain

**taiboxa** · 12-04-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by briansauras

can you explain

metabolites can still cause suppression from stronger, most notibly the 19nor group, compounds which linger on even after the active life has passed still hindering recovery.

**briansauras** · 12-04-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

metabolites can still cause suppression from stronger, most notibly the 19nor group, compounds which linger on even after the active life has passed still hindering recovery.

sooo there is a reason for running test a wk longer

**marcus300** · 12-05-2006, 02:13 AM

Your goal is easy achieveable if you prime correctly before the cycle, you dont need a 20week cycle to gain 5-7lbs

**IBdmfkr** · 12-05-2006, 11:17 AM

What are your current stats BrianS?

Cycle history prior to this? etc..

**taiboxa** · 12-05-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Your goal is easy achieveable if you prime correctly before the cycle, you dont need a 20week cycle to gain 5-7lbs

if he primed.. wouldnt he just pack on mad amounts of glycogen via supersaturation?
i know its more effective to prime creating a rebound/slingshot type of state but still thats mad muscle for anyone who has experience.

**shredzs** · 12-05-2006, 02:20 PM

I would choose #1

**briansauras** · 12-05-2006, 05:32 PM

ok so I think im going to run the first one, do pct then run the same thing only with HRT dose of test....

**marcus300** · 12-06-2006, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

if he primed.. wouldnt he just pack on mad amounts of glycogen via supersaturation?
i know its more effective to prime creating a rebound/slingshot type of state but still thats mad muscle for anyone who has experience.

NO, with priming you create a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow, if you primed correctly results are amazing and you kinda make your own growth spurt,

Alot of people are set in there ways on this board, study it and try it and you will see the results, His goals can be achieved easily with a prime, the short cycle is just 1 part of a larger plan.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 12-06-2006, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

short cycles are great but they are far more effective on a cruising type of regiment because when u run a nor group suppression doesnt just cease it is elongated out due to the metabolites especialy the metabolites that will be produced when ran at higher doses since the active life/halflife regiment of most compounds are not based on how we utilize em..

Suppression has little to do with the metabolites produced, although some are intrinsically suppressive. When blood plasma levels of 19-nor compounds are reduced, they produce an almost perfect inverse mirror image of endogenous hormone levels (Minto, et. al.) . In short, it is not, as you stated, due to metabolites causing suppression, but rather is almost exclusively due to blood plasma levels of the compound in question, according to current research. Metabolites of nandrolone are detectable for up to 18 months, and although they are detectable for that length o time, suppression from it lasts nowhere near as long.

Long term suppression, post cycle, in this case, is not from metabolites as you seem to think, but is more likely due to the suppressive nature of PgR stimulation, and antagonism of the HPTA through this route and through negative feedback from aromatization .