my bulking cycle

[GHO5T]

here is what im looking to run starting on jan 1 this will be a bulker

1-4 test suspension 100mg/ed (50mg shot in the morning, 50mg at night)
1-4 tren ace 100mg/ed
1-14 test e 500mg/wk
1-12 tren e 500mg/wk
1-12 deca 400mg/wk
1-12 hcg 500ius/wk
1-12 armidex .5mg/ed
14-16 test suspension 100mg/ed (50mg in the morning, 50mg at night)

pct (start 14 days after last injection of test e)
4 weeks of arimidex .5mg ed
4 weeks of clomid 100mg ed first 2 weeks, 50mg ed last 2 weeks.
4 weeks of hcg 500ius/wk

*i decided to run suspension from week 14(last shot of test e) -16(start of pct) is because i want to say as anabolic as i can up until pct, also suspension and tren ace will be used from week 1-4 as kickstarters*

before any body has "i wouldnt run deca and tren together" i do realize that its not recommended but i have decided to run both in my cycle also i have ran tren (100mg/ed and also 150mg/ed 10 weeks) in previous cycles with little sides

so any feedback would be greatly appreciated thanks

[Swifto]

I'd go with Letro when using 2 19-Nor's no matter what the dosage. You also using Test Susp and Test Enan which will increase estrogen levels a fair bit.

HCG, I'd go with 125-500ius 2-3 times weekly.

I think your cycle seems a little...Busy.

Why not reduce it to a 6 or 8 week lean bulker rather than a long 16 weaker using lots of ester's?

Something like:

wk 1-10 Test Prop 75-100mg/ED
wk 1-8 Tren A 50-75mg/ED
wk 1-6 Dbol 30mg/ED
wk 1-10 Letro 0.25-0.5mg/ED
wk 1-PCT HCG (As I outlined)

Then your PCT, whatever your protocol. Or what works best for you.

[GHO5T]

thanks bro ill switch to letro over arimidex when i start, the reason i wanted to run a longer cycle is mainly i have never ran a long cycle except my first ever cycle which consisted of test e only at 500mg/wk

so basically i wanted to see what kind of results i would see from a longer cycle, but thanks for the info bro ill keep your advice in mind, any other advice

[Swifto]

thanks bro ill switch to letro over arimidex when i start, the reason i wanted to run a longer cycle is mainly i have never ran a long cycle except my first ever cycle which consisted of test e only at 500mg/wk

so basically i wanted to see what kind of results i would see from a longer cycle, but thanks for the info bro ill keep your advice in mind, any other advice

If you want something longer, perhaps:

wk 1-13 Test Enan 500mg/wk
wk 1-6 Test Prop 75-100mg/ED
wk 1-8 Tren A 50-75mg/ED
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk
wk 10-15 Test Prop 100mg/ED

Ancillaries as I stated above.

[GHO5T]

If you want something longer, perhaps:

wk 1-13 Test Enan 500mg/wk
wk 1-6 Test Prop 75-100mg/ED
wk 1-8 Tren A 50-75mg/ED
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk
wk 10-15 Test Prop 100mg/ED

Ancillaries as I stated above.

thanks for all the info bro appcreciate it, i will deff take this in consideration and try to incorporate this to my cycle (switch around some gear, dosages, durations)

i start on the jan 1 and im counting down the days

thanks for the info swifto

[taiboxa]

i like it but i would use an oral to jumpstart and drop the short/no esters since ur very nor group heavy i would add a dht of some sort most likely win/drol to jump it. u can frontload first week by doubling up on dosage for first administration or higher. drop the deca down in dosage if not both tren/deca... i love tren deca together.. its stupid not to run them together imo LOL heres exactly how i would change it

1-5 DHT (50-100mg or win or drol either|or both are fun IMO)
1-15 test e 500mg/wk
1-12 tren e 400mg/wk lowering doses stayin around 600-700mg of nor groups seems more ideal until u in the 250 club
1-11 deca 300mg/wk
Drop hcg pointless iMO suppression is still taking place, dont really need it in all honesty cept maybe 2 weeks out from pct even then i feel its lame
1-12 letro .5mg ED help w/ progest sides and JUST OVERALL GOOD DRUG!

dont need susp/prop to end cycle on, not really going to make any difference at all blood'plasma levels are going to flux from tren/deca + their metabolites no need trying to solve an insolvable prob.

pct (start 14 days after last injection of test e)
18-22 Aromasin 25mg ED
18 22 Nolva 40mg ED adjust to ur liking 40 is best IMO for recovery
LOTS OF O M E G A Fatty acids and higher cholestrol in diet!

[GHO5T]

i like it but i would use an oral to jumpstart and drop the short/no esters since ur very nor group heavy i would add a dht of some sort most likely win/drol to jump it. u can frontload first week by doubling up on dosage for first administration or higher. drop the deca down in dosage if not both tren/deca... i love tren deca together.. its stupid not to run them together imo LOL heres exactly how i would change it

1-5 DHT (50-100mg or win or drol either|or both are fun IMO)
1-15 test e 500mg/wk
1-12 tren e 400mg/wk lowering doses stayin around 600-700mg of nor groups seems more ideal until u in the 250 club
1-11 deca 300mg/wk
Drop hcg pointless iMO suppression is still taking place, dont really need it in all honesty cept maybe 2 weeks out from pct even then i feel its lame
1-12 letro .5mg ED help w/ progest sides and JUST OVERALL GOOD DRUG!

dont need susp/prop to end cycle on, not really going to make any difference at all blood'plasma levels are going to flux from tren/deca + their metabolites no need trying to solve an insolvable prob.

pct (start 14 days after last injection of test e)
18-22 Aromasin 25mg ED
18 22 Nolva 40mg ED adjust to ur liking 40 is best IMO for recovery
LOTS OF O M E G A Fatty acids and higher cholestrol in diet!

thanks for the info bro, i was thinking of changing my kickstarter to drol but since i havent used an oral im a little hesitant

but maybe its about time i man up huh

[taiboxa]

thanks for the info bro, i was thinking of changing my kickstarter to drol but since i havent used an oral im a little hesitant

but maybe its about time i man up huh

go get blood work done.. see if u have any pre'existing liv/kidney problems

[GHO5T]

one more question, is there any chance that the tren and deca will be competing against each other (same receptors) thus slowing down gains i heard alot of guys saying this, im not sure, can someone clarify this for me

[taiboxa]

one more question, is there any chance that the tren and deca will be competing against each other (same receptors) thus slowing down gains i heard alot of guys saying this, im not sure, can someone clarify this for me

nope

[briansauras]

I was going to suggest wintrol as well

why would you suggest not using winstol at the end tai?

[kaberle_15]

Cycle looks kick ass, gives me ideas

[taiboxa]

I was going to suggest wintrol as well

why would you suggest not using winstol at the end tai?

its his first time w/ orals.. and persionally drol is much more fun than anything else to jump w/ but i did say both which was referring to a drol start win finish
no need to go OVER board he still young

[briansauras]

its his first time w/ orals.. and persionally drol is much more fun than anything else to jump w/ but i did say both which was referring to a drol start win finish
no need to go OVER board he still young

werd