*<>^ Long Cycle/revovery.....no Parrots^<>*

[Hellmaskbanned]

For those who have done 8-14 week cycles & 20-30 week cycles, what was the difference in recovering your natural hormones?

Did you lose alot more gains from the long cycle?

What was your PCT?

Did your hormones return to their previous levels?

Anything else you want to add feel free to.

Plz don't type in this thread if you have not done a long cycle.
Thanks

[Hellmaskbanned]

bump

[bbplaya21]

I wish i would have done a 20-30 week cycle cuz after sugery and finished my cycle i got lazy as shit and ended up gaining weight from it. maybe if some people will reply i can come up with one like you

[guest589745]

I have never vonsidered vextremeley vong vycles vue to devreased "revovery" provavility.



4 months is where I am going to draw the line.

[T3/T4 GSR]

I did 12 weeks of test and deca and I used Anthony Roberts PCT and recovered well thus far and kept most gains.

[GHO5T]

For those who have done 8-14 week cycles & 20-30 week cycles, what was the difference in recovering your natural hormones?

Did you lose alot more gains from the long cycle?

What was your PCT?

Did your hormones return to their previous levels?

Anything else you want to add feel free to.

Plz don't type in this thread if you have not done a long cycle.
Thanks

good post bro, ive always been curious about this, hopefully more of the experienced bros will respond as im eager to read on what they have to say about this

[Hellmaskbanned]

I have never vonsidered vextremeley vong vycles vue to devreased "revovery" provavility.



4 months is where I am going to draw the line.

LOL i was reading this like wtf i dont get it ...then looked at my title

[bbplaya21]

I have never vonsidered vextremeley vong vycles vue to devreased "revovery" provavility.



4 months is where I am going to draw the line.

so ur saying 16 weeks at the most. im sure alot of people have run it for rediculous amounts of time.

[guest589745]

so ur saying 16 weeks at the most. im sure alot of people have run it for rediculous amounts of time.

Yea I know a member here who used tren for 6 months supposedly, or at least was on for that amount of time. I simply meant that I myself draw the line at 16 weeks. I havent even went that far yet though.

[bbplaya21]

well we need a new lab rat. u up for the job????

[guest589745]

Maybe, if I do not aquire desired results within the alotted 14 weeks I had planned on running my current cycle for.

[bbplaya21]

Cool beans. How far along are yea??? If this long cycle doenst have problems with recovery if done right then i might have to give it a try

[guest589745]

I am almost 3 weeks in. Dbol is probly the only thing that is really having any effect as of now. Just a great great pump, it feels amazing which is partially why I use it.

[guest589745]

I would also not ercomend using me as a guide for what your cycle will consist of BBplaya21, I started otu with test only then test/deca/dbol and now its one more compound, faster esters with a higher dose, so just to be safe, don't jump right in.

Sorry for posting non topic related info here hellmask.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I would also not ercomend using me as a guide for what your cycle will consist of BBplaya21, I started otu with test only then test/deca/dbol and now its one more compound, faster esters with a higher dose, so just to be safe, don't jump right in.

Sorry for posting non topic related info here hellmask.

No problem bro.

I like you and bbplaya, any activity in this thread is good.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I just don't want ppl saying......Oh long cycles your testicles will fall off , and you will lose all your gains and not recover.

When infact they've never ran a long cycle, and are just repeating what some other clown has said. GAH GAH hate that, to much of false information is spread and repeated.

[guest589745]

I just don't want ppl saying......Oh long cycles your testicles will fall off , and you will lose all your gains and not recover.

When infact they've never ran a long cycle, and are just repeating what some other clown has said. GAH GAH hate that, to much of false information is spread and repeated.

God tell me about it. I had a list I wrote, of all the bullshit tha is sperad around here like wildfire. Eventually, I will include it in my signature.

It is beautiful lol.

I am not sure what can be better, staying on until you have reached your goals or going on/off/on/off for shorter periods of time.......

I know one of our very knowledgable members believes longer cycels are better overall but then again we have those that differ. I have personally found no 100% solid info or experience that proves either way. I suppose I am still in an experimental stage of my AAS usage.

[briansauras]

ill keep you posted.

[bowie]

never done a short cycle, I took 7 weeks off this year, didn't feel much like having sex but my balls slowly got a little bigger. I don't believe IMO that you can totally shut yourself down, as I have done a 3 year cycle before, and everything went back to normal after a few months. not saying this would be true for everyone, but for me, so far so good.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I did a 18wk cycle
16wks 750mg enth ew
13wks 500mg deca ew
17-18 75mg prop ed

pct
1-30 100mg clomid ed
1-recovered 20mg nolva ed
30-60 4g trib ed

If I remember correctly took me about 60 days to recover. Well atleast for my balls to comeback and to have normal sex drive. I ran 20mg Nolva for 3-4months just for shits and giggles. I dont think I lost much size. Lost noticable strength though.

Im coming off a 20wk cutting cycle.
wk1-17 75mg prop ed
wk1-8 75mg tren ed
wk4-10 100mg winny ed
wk17-20 75mg suspension ed
wk17-20 200mg winny ed
wk1-20 100mg t3 ed
I didnt plan it this way at first, i just extended until i liked my results and would not rebound/gain weight back.

planning on running the same pct as before.

ill keep you posted.

Yeah keep me updated, tell me how pct & after goes.

[Hellmaskbanned]

never done a short cycle, I took 7 weeks off this year, didn't feel much like having sex but my balls slowly got a little bigger. I don't believe IMO that you can totally shut yourself down, as I have done a 3 year cycle before, and everything went back to normal after a few months. not saying this would be true for everyone, but for me, so far so good.

What did your 3 year cycle look like? You can pm me if you don't feel it should be posted on the open board.

Also what was your pct protocol?

[goose]

I love it.The parrot hater,they should be shot on sight punks.sorry buddy I cant help you here.Bump for MARCUS here,he`s an Experienced guy.....

[marcus300]

Not everyone who as done a long cycle will recover the same, its like many issues within BB we all react differently, some will say they have recovered and had no problems from 24wk cycles and there will be others state they never really fully recovered,

When i was in my 20's and was doing long cycle sometimes high dose ones i could recover with no problems, all i would do is an aggressive PCT to fully recover, now the problems occurred as i got older and getting more cycles under my belt, it was really hard work to fully recover even if i did a very aggressive PCT protocol,

I discovered what kind of cycle suited me at that stage and running long cycle wasn't the answer at all, suppressing or shuting down your system for a large number of weeks is not good in the long run IMHO even if you can recover without any problems, i seen this happen many times,

I also know a few who have never recovered from long cycle and HRT is the only answer for them to feel normal, within Bodybuilding the secret is maintaining your gains if you don't maintain you chase the size what you were all the time when you was on cycle its a vicious cycle, with long cycles is does take longer for you to recover and it does hinder maintaining your gains, so it kind of defeats the object of a long cycle, quick recovery is needed to maintain gains and spring board yourself into the next cycle,

Another question what needs to be asked do you really think going on a longer cycle will help you build more muscle tissue?? NO it wont if it did we would all be over 500lb+, the body gets saturated, answer is find out when you stop gaining and design a cycle around that time scale,

[goose]

Great post marcus.

Could you tell me what is what like for you when you came of your longest cycle (one year I think) ?

[bowie]

Not everyone who as done a long cycle will recover the same, its like many issues within BB we all react differently, some will say they have recovered and had no problems from 24wk cycles and there will be others state they never really fully recovered,

When i was in my 20's and was doing long cycle sometimes high dose ones i could recover with no problems, all i would do is an aggressive PCT to fully recover, now the problems occurred as i got older and getting more cycles under my belt, it was really hard work to fully recover even if i did a very aggressive PCT protocol,

I discovered what kind of cycle suited me at that stage and running long cycle wasn't the answer at all, suppressing or shuting down your system for a large number of weeks is not good in the long run IMHO even if you can recover without any problems, i seen this happen many times,

I also know a few who have never recovered from long cycle and HRT is the only answer for them to feel normal, within Bodybuilding the secret is maintaining your gains if you don't maintain you chase the size what you were all the time when you was on cycle its a vicious cycle, with long cycles is does take longer for you to recover and it does hinder maintaining your gains, so it kind of defeats the object of a long cycle, quick recovery is needed to maintain gains and spring board yourself into the next cycle,

Another question what needs to be asked do you really think going on a longer cycle will help you build more muscle tissue?? NO it wont if it did we would all be over 500lb+, the body gets saturated, answer is find out when you stop gaining and design a cycle around that time scale,

I agree, I have been chasing my size for years, recovery is taking longer now that I'm older. I will try to do shorter cycles now, but I have been doing this so long now that it is a total mind f#$k for me to come off and lose 10 pounds. I am stuck in a rut as I have been big for years and I could not stand to be a NORMAL person again. I will try(next year) 4 months on 2 months off.

[stupidhippo]

still interested in more personal experiences.. gotta agree with marcus though.. I usually stop gaining after 8 weeks or so..

[ecivon]

For those who have done 8-14 week cycles & 20-30 week cycles, what was the difference in recovering your natural hormones?

Did you lose alot more gains from the long cycle?

What was your PCT?

Did your hormones return to their previous levels?

Anything else you want to add feel free to.

Plz don't type in this thread if you have not done a long cycle.
Thanks

Well, I'm going to find out. Never done a really long cycle, longest being 12 weeks, but did have some recovery problems with 'basic' pct. Clomid and nolva only.

Last March I tore ligaments and permanently displaced joints in my right wrist lifting and had surgery June 8th. The injury hasn't healed properly and surgery actually made the pain worse. MRI's after surgery found micro ligament tears and that the displaced joints are permanent. They wanted to do a surgery where they would go in and drill holes in forearm to wrap the tendoms and ligaments in place and I said no. Then they suggested joint replacement, but said the maximum weight I'd ever be able to exert on the artificial joint would be 50 lbs. and I said no. A critical trauma specialist said that as it stands I can lift now as it is without weight restriction, that I won't be able to damage the wrist any further than it already is, it'll just be a matter of how much pain I'll be able to put up with. Sometimes I can deal with the pain easily enough, but at times doing even the most menial task, lifting something light, will be really painful. The thought of never being able to work out the way I want to work out has me really pissed. I'm very freaking stubborn and don't like being told 'no', or 'you can't do that'!

So this may be my last cycle and I intend to make it a good one and probably at least a 9 - 12 month one, depending on how well my wrist holds up structurally.

The cycle I just started is 125mg prop eod, 200mg deca 2 x per week, .25mg arimidex ed, 10mg nolva ed, for 12 weeks (deca for 10 weeks); weeks 4-7 60mcgs igf-1 ed. Will run 500iu hcg ed for 3 weeks last of cycle to start of pct. Will start pct 3 days after last prop inj and will include clomid, nolva, 4 weeks of igf-1 60mcgs ed, 4 weeks 50mg proviron ed and aromasin.

I chose this cycle because the prop is a short ester and will get me into pct faster and the deca will help with the pain issues.

Immediately following this cycle I plan to start an HGH/test cycle for 6 months and may include igf-1. This will give me essentially a 9 month cycle and at that time I'll take a hard look at following that with a short cycle.

This will probably be it for me as far as cycling goes, but will get a better idea as the cycles progress.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Not everyone who as done a long cycle will recover the same, its like many issues within BB we all react differently, some will say they have recovered and had no problems from 24wk cycles and there will be others state they never really fully recovered,

When i was in my 20's and was doing long cycle sometimes high dose ones i could recover with no problems, all i would do is an aggressive PCT to fully recover, now the problems occurred as i got older and getting more cycles under my belt, it was really hard work to fully recover even if i did a very aggressive PCT protocol,

I discovered what kind of cycle suited me at that stage and running long cycle wasn't the answer at all, suppressing or shuting down your system for a large number of weeks is not good in the long run IMHO even if you can recover without any problems, i seen this happen many times,

I also know a few who have never recovered from long cycle and HRT is the only answer for them to feel normal, within Bodybuilding the secret is maintaining your gains if you don't maintain you chase the size what you were all the time when you was on cycle its a vicious cycle, with long cycles is does take longer for you to recover and it does hinder maintaining your gains, so it kind of defeats the object of a long cycle, quick recovery is needed to maintain gains and spring board yourself into the next cycle,

Another question what needs to be asked do you really think going on a longer cycle will help you build more muscle tissue?? NO it wont if it did we would all be over 500lb+, the body gets saturated, answer is find out when you stop gaining and design a cycle around that time scale,

Nice post....Your right just because one person recovers well doesn't mean I will , we are all different.
My reasoning for this long cycle is because I will not be able to do much lifting, So I will be recovering from an injury. Won't be able to lift hardly at all.
Need to keep my size and strength so I can jump back on full force when healed. Also water within the joints acts as a great enviroment for healing.

Marcus what did your aggressive PCT consist of after the long cycle?

Also would being on low doses rather than high for 25+ weeks + make for a faster recovery?

[Hellmaskbanned]

Well, I'm going to find out. Never done a really long cycle, longest being 12 weeks, but did have some recovery problems with 'basic' pct. Clomid and nolva only.

Last March I tore ligaments and permanently displaced joints in my right wrist lifting and had surgery June 8th. The injury hasn't healed properly and surgery actually made the pain worse. MRI's after surgery found micro ligament tears and that the displaced joints are permanent. They wanted to do a surgery where they would go in and drill holes in forearm to wrap the tendoms and ligaments in place and I said no. Then they suggested joint replacement, but said the maximum weight I'd ever be able to exert on the artificial joint would be 50 lbs. and I said no. A critical trauma specialist said that as it stands I can lift now as it is without weight restriction, that I won't be able to damage the wrist any further than it already is, it'll just be a matter of how much pain I'll be able to put up with. Sometimes I can deal with the pain easily enough, but at times doing even the most menial task, lifting something light, will be really painful. The thought of never being able to work out the way I want to work out has me really pissed. I'm very freaking stubborn and don't like being told 'no', or 'you can't do that'!

So this may be my last cycle and I intend to make it a good one and probably at least a 9 - 12 month one, depending on how well my wrist holds up structurally.

The cycle I just started is 125mg prop eod, 200mg deca 2 x per week, .25mg arimidex ed, 10mg nolva ed, for 12 weeks (deca for 10 weeks); weeks 4-7 60mcgs igf-1 ed. Will run 500iu hcg ed for 3 weeks last of cycle to start of pct. Will start pct 3 days after last prop inj and will include clomid, nolva, 4 weeks of igf-1 60mcgs ed, 4 weeks 50mg proviron ed and aromasin.

I chose this cycle because the prop is a short ester and will get me into pct faster and the deca will help with the pain issues.

Immediately following this cycle I plan to start an HGH/test cycle for 6 months and may include igf-1. This will give me essentially a 9 month cycle and at that time I'll take a hard look at following that with a short cycle.

This will probably be it for me as far as cycling goes, but will get a better idea as the cycles progress.

That sucks about your wrist man...I'm faced with a similiar problem. The thought of not being able to do anything really does piss me off to.

Yeah I would give that Test/Deca/HGH a go. Here good things about what it does for joints.

[marcus300]

Nice post....Your right just because one person recovers well doesn't mean I will , we are all different.
My reasoning for this long cycle is because I will not be able to do much lifting, So I will be recovering from an injury. Won't be able to lift hardly at all.
Need to keep my size and strength so I can jump back on full force when healed. Also water within the joints acts as a great enviroment for healing.

Marcus what did your aggressive PCT consist of after the long cycle?

Also would being on low doses rather than high for 25+ weeks + make for a faster recovery?

I understand but if i wasnt going to be lifting any weights or even trying to build muscle i would not be going on a cycle for a long time, cycles are for building muscle and i wouldnt waste the gear and the freshness your body would be in if you stayed off during injury,

I would look at other compounds to help maintain your size while not lifting GH would be a far better option than saturating your body with AAS with no intention of building muscle,

If you are unable to life weights you are going to waste muscle tissue no matter what you do, all i feel you are doing is kidding yourself thinking the water retention will help keep the muscle,

IMHO i wouldnt even consider it, use something else like GH, i understand how you are feeling but your chasing something what you just cant keep if you are unable to life weight, id have a good think about it .

BEST OF LUCK

[Hellmaskbanned]

I understand but if i wasnt going to be lifting any weights or even trying to build muscle i would not be going on a cycle for a long time, cycles are for building muscle and i wouldnt waste the gear and the freshness your body would be in if you stayed off during injury,

I would look at other compounds to help maintain your size while not lifting GH would be a far better option than saturating your body with AAS with no intention of building muscle,

If you are unable to life weights you are going to waste muscle tissue no matter what you do, all i feel you are doing is kidding yourself thinking the water retention will help keep the muscle,

IMHO i wouldnt even consider it, use something else like GH, i understand how you are feeling but your chasing something what you just cant keep if you are unable to life weight, id have a good think about it .

BEST OF LUCK

Yeah , that is somthing to consider. But I have to be do back Strong and in top condition fast.

It's not that I wont be able to lift the entire 20+ week cycle. There will be a good 15 weeks of training/gaining back size and strength.

Know what your saying though & thanks for the help.

[bbplaya21]

yo hellmask maybe u should start ur cycle around 10 weeks or so AFTER sugery because u can workout more and not be so imobile. The splint is worn for about 6 weeks post op and u can only move your arm to like 135 degrees for that period.

[bbplaya21]

I would also not ercomend using me as a guide for what your cycle will consist of BBplaya21, I started otu with test only then test/deca/dbol and now its one more compound, faster esters with a higher dose, so just to be safe, don't jump right in.

Sorry for posting non topic related info here hellmask.

Im not really using u as a guide but more gaining info and deciding if the long cycle is worht it. Im readin about the guys doin the longer cycles and it is true you only see gains after so far along into the cycle. Im still in the researching stage as to what im wanting to start with (prob test cyp) and what else i wanna stack it with....either deca(because it helps wiht joints i had tommy john surgery) but would stop the cycle at 14 wks at the most or EQ(because i like the endurance gains off of it. Me and Hellmask are still coming up with a cycle so hopefully i can get started at the beginning of the year!!! yaa yaa

[Swifto]

For those who have done 8-14 week cycles & 20-30 week cycles, what was the difference in recovering your natural hormones?

Did you lose alot more gains from the long cycle?

What was your PCT?

Did your hormones return to their previous levels?

Anything else you want to add feel free to.

Plz don't type in this thread if you have not done a long cycle.
Thanks

I've done 2 14 week cycles. One finished at week 13ish due to get pnuemonia and I lost every pound (23lbs I gained) and more than when I started out. Recovery was hard and full of antiboitics! I was ok though and bounced back fairly fast when I was fit and well again.

Second cycle I used HCG in my cycle. Starting about week 5-6 around 500ius/wk split into 1-2 injections. Recovery was faster then. I dont know if its due to a change in my PCT (Adding Proviron and dropping Clomid) or not? Still I find it very hard to attain more than 50-75% of my gains.

In all I seem to recover ok after shutting my HPTA down totally for 14 or so weeks. I also get BW done at various times during cycling and "off" peroids, which is imperitive to any BB IMHO. Not enough get it done and its crucial to ones health.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I've done 2 14 week cycles. One finished at week 13ish due to get pnuemonia and I lost every pound (23lbs I gained) and more than when I started out. Recovery was hard and full of antiboitics! I was ok though and bounced back fairly fast when I was fit and well again.

Second cycle I used HCG in my cycle. Starting about week 5-6 around 500ius/wk split into 1-2 injections. Recovery was faster then. I dont know if its due to a change in my PCT (Adding Proviron and dropping Clomid) or not? Still I find it very hard to attain more than 50-75% of my gains.

In all I seem to recover ok after shutting my HPTA down totally for 14 or so weeks. I also get BW done at various times during cycling and "off" peroids, which is imperitive to any BB IMHO. Not enough get it done and its crucial to ones health.

I'm adding proviron for the first time to pct this go.

What dose do you recomend? 50mgs/day?

[Swifto]

I'm adding proviron for the first time to pct this go.

What dose do you recomend? 50mgs/day?

Start on 25mg/ED and see how your sex drive is during PCT. If it isnt what it should be, bump it to 50mg/ED and se how things are. 50mg/ED for me is perfect. Dont exceed 150mg/ED as there are no studies (to my knowing) stating it isnt suppressive at this, or above, amounts.

Start low and adjust your dose accordingly.

[bbplaya21]

bump

[bbplaya21]

Anyone else got experience with long cycles and how your outcomes was afterwards

[ecivon]

Start on 25mg/ED and see how your sex drive is during PCT. If it isnt what it should be, bump it to 50mg/ED and se how things are. 50mg/ED for me is perfect. Dont exceed 150mg/ED as there are no studies (to my knowing) stating it isnt suppressive at this, or above, amounts.

Start low and adjust your dose accordingly.

Am I mistaken, I thought I saw somewhere that high doses of proviron could increase estrogen levels?? Or am I confusing the high dosages with HCG? Either way I plan on using both at the end of the cycle I'm now on.

[smiler]

pearsonally, been "on" for a very long time. way longer than your question asks. but in between realitivly large dose cycles, i stay on 400-600 mg ew test cyp (script) yes hrt 4 ever for me. my nuts shrank up a-lot at first and some when on high doses, but oddly they seem to have returned almost to normall. can't explain but i love it. seem to go through growing "spurts" if you will. kind of platue for a month or so, then grow for awhile. i'm 40 yrs old and the sex drive is crazy. has been for a couple years. have the worse acne ever. that's the only bummer for me.