1st Cycle Advice - Anavar, Clen, T3

[Toph99]

Well, Im going to begin my 1st cycle within the next couple weeks, and Id like some input on my cycle. Ive done about as much research as I can, but hope to benefit from some of your experience. Im not looking to be huge or gain alot of bulk (hence my choice in Anavar). I just want to harden and cut up a bit. I like the thin lean look. Also Im genetically prone to hairloss and Ive been maintaining that with Dutasteride for several years, and I know that the Anaver is gentle on the follicles. Just seems to be a good fit for me in comparrison to othr AS's. Below is my stats and plan:

28 years old, been training for several years
Low carb diet, approx 300g + protein/day
Approx 175-180lbs (I fluxuate like crazy). 5ft 10in
Im not sure what my bf% is, but I could stand to lose about 15lbs in bodyfat alone.

Plan for cycle:
40mg Var ed for 7 weeks

Liquid Clen:

40mcg a day the first 3 days
60mcg 3 days
80mcg 3 days
100mcg 3 days
80mcg 3 days
60mcg 3 days
40mcg 3 days

Liquid T3:

25mcg first 3 days
50mcg 3 days
75 mcg 3 days
100mcg 3 days
75mcg 3 days
50mcg 3 days
25mcg 3 days

The Clen I will have to adjust according to my tollerance, not sure Ill quite get to 150mcg. I also plan to supplement with 5g Tuarine ed. Once I run the T3 and Clen for 3 weeks, I plan to cycle off and run an ECA for 3 weeks, then possibly cycle back depending on the results. I will be training 6 days a week doing drop sets, Training each group twice a week. I also plan to continue taking creatine.

One thing that Id like to get some advice on is.... is it a good idea to stack all 3 of these at the same time? Or should I run the Clen and T3 first, and the Var after (or vice versa). My bud is a competition body builder and he recommended running them all at once. Also, with this being my 1st cycle, and be being relatively thin still, any input on the reaults I can expect? I value the thoughts and opinions of you all and look forward to your input. If you have any questions just let a brutha know. Thanks!

[outlawtas]

Well you've done your research and you've picked a steroid that you figure will be good for you. Obviously most recommend a test only first cycle, but you seem to have a grasp for what you want. Personally, I don't think you should get in the steroid game unless you feel the need to be really big or really strong, but that's your personal choice.

I would increase your var to 8 or even 10 weeks. It's a pretty mild steroid, and isn't very hard on the body (unlike dbol, drol, etc).

Clen looks good, most run it 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. You will probably run it more than once.

Most run T3 for aroun 6 weeks, not sure why you chose only 3. I mean, if it works for you that's great - the less for better. I'm just basing it on others results.

I think you should stack them all at the same time, T3 can eat up muscle (debated topic) so it's probably good to have the var in there to prevent atrophy.

What can you expect? Well that depends all on your diet and training. Var makes my muslces very very hard and it helps shed some fat as well imo. As far as muscular gains? I personally wouldn't expect any if I was you. Gaining muscle is hard enough while cutting on cycle, with a fairly "weak" steroid like Var I just wouldn't expect much. Maybe you'll respond very well though, everyone is different.

Good luck.

[Toph99]

The reason Im only running the T3 for 3 weeks is due to research I have read on the potential for it to shut down the thyroid. Ive also read that it has NO potential to cause shut down. But, I preffer to error on the side of caution here.

Any thoughts on if i would need to run PCT after this cycle?

[Growingpains]

I would say that just the clen and the var would be good. T3 is really strong and I have read that running it with an anabolic agent is essential b/c it takes everything with it (muscle, fat...).

I would run the clen for a week on/week off. Upping the dosage as you see fit but not to exceed 120mcgs/day.

Later in the cycle after a couple weeks. take aspirin with the clen it helps keep the body from 'getting used to it'

I would up the var dose to 75mgs/day as well.

[Growingpains]

obviously var is anabolic but not along the same lines as test

[briansauras]

wk1-8 250-500mg Prop ED/EOD
wk1-8 40mg Var ED

Liquid Clen: 2wks on 2wks off. Use a ephedrine free thermo such as lipo-6 during off weeks. When you come back "on" again start at 120mcg
day1 40mcg
day2 60mcg
day3 80mcg
day4 100mcg
day5-14 120mcg

Liquid T3: Run it for the duration of the cycle even when not on clen. There is no need to taper off.

day1 25mcg
day2 50mcg
day3 75 mcg
day4+ 100mcg

PCT: Clomid has been shown to start recovering supressed thyroids within 5-12days but it is rec to run it for 30days at 100mg.

day1-30 100mg clomid ED
day1-30 20mg nolva ED
day1-14 120mcg clen

[Toph99]

Ive recieved conflicting advice as to whether PCT is even necessary for this cycle. However Id preffer to error on the side of caution. Do you think Nolva alone will do the trick?

[briansauras]

Ive recieved conflicting advice as to whether PCT is even necessary for this cycle. However Id preffer to error on the side of caution. Do you think Nolva alone will do the trick?

i noted that clomid helps recover from a cycle the same way nolva does AND it has shown to help supression of the thyroid gland. so why would you not want to use it?


1.Extremely low dosed var only cycle for 7wks
2.Nolva only/no pct
Im just curious why you are trying to cut corners with your cycle?

[Toph99]

I dont feel Im cutting corners man. If that was truly my intent, I wouldnt be on the boards looking for input. The reason for the low dosage of var is because with this being my 1st cycle, I just want to take it easy. Im trying to carefully introduce myelf to it, rather than crash corse into it and make mistakes. I want to see how my body reacts so that I can intelligently and realisticly plan my 2nd cycle down the road. As far as the PCT, again I dont want to cut corners. The reason Im still debating between the 2 for my PCT is because ive read alot that people in general have a harder time tolerating the sides of Clomid than they do Nolva.

[briansauras]

I dont feel Im cutting corners man. If that was truly my intent, I wouldnt be on the boards looking for input. The reason for the low dosage of var is because with this being my 1st cycle, I just want to take it easy. Im trying to carefully introduce myelf to it, rather than crash corse into it and make mistakes. I want to see how my body reacts so that I can intelligently and realisticly plan my 2nd cycle down the road. As far as the PCT, again I dont want to cut corners. The reason Im still debating between the 2 for my PCT is because ive read alot that people in general have a harder time tolerating the sides of Clomid than they do Nolva.

If it is your first cycle you should be using test alone. 250-500mg/wk for 10-12wks is about as simple as you can get. you should drop the t3 since its your first. It doesnt matter how frank responds to clomid, it is how you do. everyones body is diff. I have no bad sides from clomid so I use it.

I dont think you are ready for a cycle based on your statement above.

[Toph99]

Im not looking for a simple cycle man, I want the RIGHT cycle for me. My original post explains why Ive chosen the Var. Test isnt the right choice for me based on my current short term goal (also stated in my original post). And I understand that whats important is how I tollerate the drug, not how someone else does, however its just common sense to see what people are experiencing out there in order to get an idea of what to expect. I respect your experience, input and opinions man, but I dont feel yours is the only one I should consider. So thank you briansauras for your contribution. I look forward to getting some more input from the rest of you, thanks!

[Apex]

Careful w/ the T3 - no first hand exp, but I have yet to read anything that does not include hefty warnings!

[Toph99]

I year ya brutha. thanks for the heads up. Ive heard its safe to run up to 4 weeks, I may back it off to 2 and cycle with ECA just to be absolutely on the safe side.

[cfiler]

I would really suggest running clen alone. All you are looking for is dropping afew lbs it apears, and clen can definately help with that.

Or you could go with a simple test only cycle.

[Toph99]

Ya Im avoiding the test only cycle due to battling hairloss. I have it maintained with dutast, but dont want to push it. And yes Im using the Clen to slim down, but Ive read some really good stuff about stacking it with T3. Im still debating on how Im going to run the whole cycle.

[Liftnainez]

If it is your first cycle you should be using test alone. 250-500mg/wk for 10-12wks is about as simple as you can get. you should drop the t3 since its your first. It doesnt matter how frank responds to clomid, it is how you do. everyones body is diff. I have no bad sides from clomid so I use it.

I dont think you are ready for a cycle based on your statement above.

Why????? Test does not go in accordance with his goals..

[mousetraps]

i always thought clen was riskier in the long term than t3

[Toph99]

i always thought clen was riskier in the long term than t3

That could very well be. From the research Ive done, they both pose risks that should be taken very serious, if not handled properly. Im actually leaning a bit towards only running the Clen and T3 for 2 weeks at a time, then cycling off for 2 weeks on ECA. Thats probably the safest bet.

[Pac8541]

wk1-8 250-500mg Prop ED/EOD
wk1-8 40mg Var ED

Briansauras, Am I reading this correctly? 250-500mg prop ED/EOD? Just wanted to be clear on whether you meant per week or not. Thanks.

[briansauras]

Why????? Test does not go in accordance with his goals..

It is his first cycle, which means he will gain/respond better then he ever will to aas. Test can be incorporated for any goal. If test is the devil, I dont see any disadvantage to atleast add running HRT doses to keep sex drive.

I seriously cant see him gaining much on 40mg var. It is an extremely mild aas. This is why its almost a waste to run it for anything less then 8wks and why it is so popular at a dose from 75-125mg for 10wks(with practically no sides.)

But you obviously researched and feel and var only first cycle is best. To each his own.....

Briansauras, Am I reading this correctly? 250-500mg prop ED/EOD? Just wanted to be clear on whether you meant per week or not. Thanks.

*everyweek

[Liftnainez]

It is his first cycle, which means he will gain/respond better then he ever will to aas. Test can be incorporated for any goal. If test is the devil, I dont see any disadvantage to atleast add running HRT doses to keep sex drive.

I seriously cant see him gaining much on 40mg var. It is an extremely mild aas. This is why its almost a waste to run it for anything less then 8wks and why it is so popular at a dose from 75-125mg for 10wks(with practically no sides.)

But you obviously researched and feel and var only first cycle is best. To each his own.....


*everyweek

its not like that.. for my first cycle I ran Test E.. I loved it.. Second was a var cycle which I loved as well.. I loved both compunds, but now I know which compound I will use for what goal.. that is all.. I just think test has its place, but not in every cycle.. this is my opinion..

[sammy825]

That could very well be. From the research Ive done, they both pose risks that should be taken very serious, if not handled properly. Im actually leaning a bit towards only running the Clen and T3 for 2 weeks at a time, then cycling off for 2 weeks on ECA. Thats probably the safest bet.

taking an ECA stack is pointless when cycling clen.. its counteractive. read beasts clen FAQ

[PROTEINSHAKE]

if you are worried about hairloss, keep in mind that var is a dht....

[Toph99]

if you are worried about hairloss, keep in mind that var is a dht....

Var and Primo are said to be the safest on hairloss. Heres one of many refferences Ive found:

http://www.hairloss-research.org/steroids.html

[lifterjaydawg]

Ya Im avoiding the test only cycle due to battling hairloss. I have it maintained with dutast, but dont want to push it. And yes Im using the Clen to slim down, but Ive read some really good stuff about stacking it with T3. Im still debating on how Im going to run the whole cycle.

How is the dutasteride working for you? How long have you been on? I am interested in trying it myself, just looking to get your opinion on how effective it has been. Good luck with the clen it works really well. I have used clen without stacking t3 and it still worked very well. The only other thing I used was the taurine.

[Toph99]

I was on finasteride for several years for hairloss, it has a tendency to peter out after 2 or 3 years, and thats exactly what it did for me. After freaking out for 6 months, I found a somewhat reasonable place to order dutasteride. It works great man. Ive been on it for several years now and it completely put the brakes on my hairloss...and I havent been as consistent with it as I should. If you really wanna attack it, do both the dut and 15% minox. (if you need further details on this stuff let me know). Battle it from all angles and get a topical going. It works for me. Topical spiro is said to be great too. The minox is a stimulant, and spiro blocks your receptors from the DHT. Im 28 now, battled hairloss since I was 20, and have maintained what I have for about 6 of those years. Experienced significant regrowth too. Just dont wait too long, some damage to the follicles is not reversable. The earlier you start the better. What level is your loss at? How long have you been losing?

Since the hairloss thing was such an ordeal, this played a major role in the AS I chose. Ive researched and found that Var and Primo are the safest. I guess Im gonna find out! Im going to heed the advice Ive recieved on this and other AS boards, and hold off for now on the T3. Im going to run the Clen with the Var (and yes I do have the Taurine on the way as well), and see how that goes. Maybe Ill run the T3 alone down the road. The only plus to running the T3 WITH the Var is reducing the muscle loss thats noted with the T3. As always, Im open to any and all input. Thanks guys!!!