muscle soreness

[jimmy86]

hey im 21 years old and just recently started my first cycle, i work out every day and eat as much as i possibly can. im currently taking 5 d-bol a day as well as 2cc's of sustanon 250 and 2 cc's of Decabol 250 every monday. i have been injecting both sustanon and deca into my delts and just started week 2 yesterday. the first time i injected last week my delt became increasingly sore for 2 days and then slowly reduced till the 4th day. a slight rash also devolped the following day but went away after 2 days or so.
is it a bad idea to inject both sustanon and deca into the same muscle? im using 22g 1'' needles. im quite thin at the moment and was thinking possibly that i should use a shorter needle. or if im maybe having an allergic reaction. my injections in the second week had the same result with soreness and rash.

also when is it a best time for me to start taking clomid and tamoxifen? the gentlemen told me to take it when my nipples got sore but other than that i can wait till i start cycling off

let me know
james

[kynetguy]

2cc's of sustanon 250 and 2 cc's of Decabol 250 every monday. i have been injecting both sustanon and deca into my delts

You shouldn't be injecting more than 2ccs in your delts. Some guys with huge turtle shell looking delts will push 2.5 and I have even herad of 3. But 4. . .eek.....

Medically speaking and based on medical recomendations, there is no one single site that you should inject 4ccs. I am not saying someone like Ronnie couldn't pull it off, I am just speaking from medical textbook recomendations.

Site rotation. . .and split those sticks up bro. That could be part of the rash issues. . .simple irritation.

Try this:

2 CCs in each delt one week then switch to quads, 2 CCs in each. then go back to delts. There are about a dozen ways you could split up sites. But without goinginto a thesis on injection sites, this will help you a LOT.

Meaning, the quads can be divided into 3 sites each. But for what you are doing, that gives you plenty of rest time between sites.

Also, when you alcohol swab your injection site, give it a few seconds to try. Don't inject when the skin is wet. This will increase pain and irritation as well.

Hope this helps and good luck on your cycle.

[kynetguy]

Oh as far as a shorter needle, you are fine. It is close to being too short for a nice quad shot, you really need to bury it in your quads to get the gear deep into the muscle, but its doable. I like 1.25. Not intimidating and long enough for glutes and quads. . .only need about half of the length for delts.

Just because you have a 3 inch needle, doesn't mean you have to jab it all in there. :-) (I know you said 1 inch, just an extreme example)

[cfiler]

hey im 21 years old and just recently started my first cycle, i work out every day and eat as much as i possibly can. im currently taking 5 d-bol 5 mgs, or 5 pills of unknown strenght?a day as well as 2cc's of sustanon 250 and 2 cc's of Decabol 250 every monday Big problem, you should be injecting the sust eod - e3rd day. once a week is asking for trouble. I'd inject the deca twice a week. i have been injecting both sustanon and deca into my delts and just started week 2 yesterday. the first time i injected last week my delt became increasingly sore for 2 days and then slowly reduced till the 4th day. a slight rash also devolped the following day but went away after 2 days or so.
is it a bad idea to inject both sustanon and deca into the same muscle? im using 22g 1'' needles. im quite thin at the moment and was thinking possibly that i should use a shorter needle. or if im maybe having an allergic reaction. my injections in the second week had the same result with soreness and rash.

also when is it a best time for me to start taking clomid and tamoxifen? the gentlemen told me to take it when my nipples got sore but other than that i can wait till i start cycling off

let me know
james

I'd try using a 23g pin instead (1" is fine for delts), also you are injecting too much into your delts. You are using way too much aas for a first cycle. Your first cycle should consist of 250-500mgs of test only. Personally, I'd drop the dbol and deca. No need for them yet.

Continue with the sust only, but follow proper injections. Sust should be injected eod or e3d. Once a week is going to create some really harsh side effects.

I'd pick up afew 1.5" pins aswell so that you can do glute injects aswell. That way you are not stuck with delt injects.

Finally, PCT should start 2 weeks after your last test inject. Make sure to keep some extra nolva on hand, incase you have some sort of estrogen related sides (like gyno.)

[jimmy86]

ive heard mixed things about how much sustanon to take per week, and thought it would be best to just go with the once a week, clifer why do you tihnk i should drop the dbol and deca, why no need for them yet, i also plan on injecting into the glutes as well, and the dbol im not to sure how much is in each pill

[SS1476]

I'd try using a 23g pin instead (1" is fine for delts), also you are injecting too much into your delts. You are using way too much aas for a first cycle. Your first cycle should consist of 250-500mgs of test only. Personally, I'd drop the dbol and deca. No need for them yet.

Continue with the sust only, but follow proper injections. Sust should be injected eod or e3d. Once a week is going to create some really harsh side effects.

I'd pick up afew 1.5" pins aswell so that you can do glute injects aswell. That way you are not stuck with delt injects.

Finally, PCT should start 2 weeks after your last test inject. Make sure to keep some extra nolva on hand, incase you have some sort of estrogen related sides (like gyno.)

Co-signed.

First off,I feel your too young
and ill-informed for any cycle.

He's telling you to drop the other
compounds because test only for
your first is suffice,take the advice.
Why complicate matters with your
first go..by adding several compounds?

Sus need to be shot more frequently
and your only shooting it once a wk.

[t-gunz]

sust needs to be shot EOD

[Mista Massive]

Co-signed.

First off,I feel your too young
and ill-informed for any cycle.

He's telling you to drop the other
compounds because test only for
your first is suffice,take the advice.
Why complicate matters with your
first go..by adding several compounds?

Sus need to be shot more frequently
and your only shooting it once a wk.

i agree, too many people are trying to accomplish it all in thier first cycle. relax, it takes time. there are many years of training and cycling ahead. one compound, and maybe another but only for a kick starter is sufficient. test only cycles work wonders with virgin receptors. so why go overboard? Just keep it simple and you will still gain plenty but save yourself some money and some possible nasty side affects.

[Booz]

hey im 21 years old and just recently started my first cycle, i work out every day and eat as much as i possibly can. im currently taking 5 d-bol a day as well as 2cc's of sustanon 250 and 2 cc's of Decabol 250 every monday. i have been injecting both sustanon and deca into my delts and just started week 2 yesterday. the first time i injected last week my delt became increasingly sore for 2 days and then slowly reduced till the 4th day. a slight rash also devolped the following day but went away after 2 days or so.
is it a bad idea to inject both sustanon and deca into the same muscle? im using 22g 1'' needles. im quite thin at the moment and was thinking possibly that i should use a shorter needle. or if im maybe having an allergic reaction. my injections in the second week had the same result with soreness and rash.

also when is it a best time for me to start taking clomid and tamoxifen? the gentlemen told me to take it when my nipples got sore but other than that i can wait till i start cycling off

let me know
james

on a side note in bold....you workout everyday?far too much imo,your body needs time to rest.......................
and what are your stats before we heap information on your arse?
weight
age height training exp ect ect..............

[jimmy86]

im currently 6'1 180 pounds, ive retired booze for the time being but i do enjoy the odd beer every once and a while. i work shift work 3 8-hour day shifts followed by 4 12-hour days then 3 8-hour night shifts so to keep the time i work out regular is difficult. my father and mother are both extremely fit and my aunt and mother are both personal trainers, so i have gotten alot of information on what to eat and how to work out. im on a 4day workout cycle, when i get to the gym i do my stretches then hit the bike for about 15minutes then go to the weights.

[Booz]

each muscle if new to injection will become slightly soar mate this is known as virgin muscle syndrome...............
it is perfectly fine to inject both sust and deca at the same time........
if you get sensitive around the nipple area i would commence taking the tamox/nolvadex,otherwise i would combine the both for your post course therapy...........
agree with abouve you only neede to use the test for your 1st cycle...............