help with new deca cycle

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:21 PM

hey, this is my second cycle. first cycle was deca , sust. and dbol and had awesome results. i was planning on running a similiar cycle again soon, but i was wondering what other tests you guys have run with deca and what kind of results you had. i just wasnt sure if sust was my best choice. i was also thinking of jump starting my cycle with winstrol or anadrol . any input guys? thanks..

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by 2003sonicblue

hey, this is my second cycle. first cycle was deca, sust. and dbol and had awesome results. i was planning on running a similiar cycle again soon, but i was wondering what other tests you guys have run with deca and what kind of results you had. i just wasnt sure if sust was my best choice. i was also thinking of jump starting my cycle with winstrol or anadrol. any input guys? thanks..

test is test homeskillet

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 01:23 PM

btw if thats u in ur avatar.. YOU ARE NOT READY FOR AAS but oh well doesnt matter u already started.. good luck

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:25 PM

how am i not ready? thats was me a little longer than a year ago natural with no aas yet..

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 01:27 PM

wat where ur stats pre/post cycle

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 01:28 PM

Not ready cause you look pretty small for your height, but pics are deceiving so answer ALL the green questions below and we can help you out better

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:31 PM

at that time i was 5'8 165 lbs. not sure on bf% but i would guess no more than 10%.. and age 21.

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by 2003sonicblue

at that time i was 5'8 165 lbs. not sure on bf% but i would guess no more than 10%.. and age 21.

read whole post before responding
stats BEFORE YOUR CYCLE
stats AFTER YOUR CYCLE

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

Not ready cause you look pretty small for your height, but pics are deceiving so answer ALL the green questions below and we can help you out better

yeah he coulda got 190 natty w/ a lil research but oh well wats past hast past

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:34 PM

i stopped my first cycle at about 6 weeks when i had a motorcycle wreck. at the time i was weighing 185lbs and gained no bf. strength gains went up rapidly.

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

yeah he coulda got 190 natty w/ a lil research but oh well wats past hast past

Very philosophical of you ! I agree. 165 after a cycle, is NOT good. You probably need to check you diet and should wait until you get that in line, but hey, maybe your GOAL is to only be 170, we don't know cause you didn't tell us!!

please answer ALL the green questions below, they are there so I don't have to ask you to give us your GOALS, Previous CYCLE, PCT used etc......

Thanks for your co operation !!

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 01:37 PM

ok lil info for setting up a good post to get ample feedbak.

give all ur current stats
give ur past cycle history aka DOSAGES, duration and pct protocol's
anyways you werent redy to be honest w/ ya diet dictates all gains/losses and acquisition of goals.

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:37 PM

190 natty? what kind of things could i have done to acheive that? i worked out daily for a total of about 3 hours, and ate very well.. lots of grilled chicken, veggies, tilapia, hamburger helper

anyways, i would liked to have been able to hit that weight naturally, i just didnt see anything happening besides keeping myself in the shape i was already in.. thanks for everything so far guys, keep it coming

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by 2003sonicblue

190 natty? what kind of things could i have done to acheive that? i worked out daily for a total of about 3 hours, and ate very well.. lots of grilled chicken, veggies, tilapia, hamburger helper

anyways, i would liked to have been able to hit that weight naturally, i just didnt see anything happening besides keeping myself in the shape i was already in.. thanks for everything so far guys, keep it coming

ROFL daily for 3hrs? heard of overtraining? you my friend are a lost lil sheep w/ a massive amount of research ahead of you IN THE WEIGHTLIFTING and DIET FORUMS! not aas.. stay away for now until u get ur other MORE IMPORTANT PARAMETERS in check

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:40 PM

the 165 was pre cycle... 190 after. cycle was deca and sust at 500mg/wk, and dbol at 25 mg/day. i took 10mg nolva/ed during cycle.

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by 2003sonicblue

190 natty? what kind of things could i have done to acheive that? i worked out daily for a total of about 3 hours, and ate very well.. lots of grilled chicken, veggies, tilapia, hamburger helper

anyways, i would liked to have been able to hit that weight naturally, i just didnt see anything happening besides keeping myself in the shape i was already in.. thanks for everything so far guys, keep it coming

Well there are parts of your problem. 3 hour workouts are senseless. Anything more than 45-60min is overkill or your just hanging out at the gym

layout your food for a typical day. Calories etc..guarantee you are NOT eating as well or as much as you think

If you are not eating at least 6-8 meals a day with the correct amount of Protein , Good Carbs, and yes FAT, then you will not grow like you could if you do it correctly!!!

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 01:42 PM

What about PCT ???? do you know what that is?? What are your GOALS!

Please answer completely so we don't have to keep asking

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:45 PM

over working? i did cardio for about an hour and a half.. but this is why you guys have people on here that get into trouble.. you would rather criticize them than help them. the whole point of getting on this site and asking questions is to get help and to learn. im not taking anything right now and as you said i need to learn more before i do. so how is that possible if you wont help? and how do you know my diet is not in line? do i look fat?

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 01:50 PM

we aren't criticizing you that badly....are we. you can take it, its tough love.....lolol

1.5 hours of cardio is way too much. you body will be eating your muscles for fuel after 60 min !!! so any more in one session is not good

when do you do your cardio, before or after weights?

I know your diet is NOT in line because you are ONLY 165, therefore you are NOT growing like you could be at your age naturally IF you were consuming the proper amounts of nutrients.

Next question??

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:53 PM

i usually eat yogurt for breakfast before i head to work. for lunch and dinner its usually grilled tilapia, sometimes salmon, grilled chicken of somesort or steak. always lots of veggies in the mix and either baked or mashed potatoes. as far as hoiw much im eating..i dont really know how to explain it other than i eat alot of it and sometimes i have a couple dinners of it. lol. i eat the whole box af hamburger helper when i make it and i also incorporate about 3 protein shakes a day. as far as pct went, i ran clomid at 50mg/day and nolva at 25mg/day 2 weeks. next time around i was thinking of running hcg and letro.

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:55 PM

before. i always run a few miles at home and then head to the gym for cardio and weights. i do cardio about 3-4 times a week. so i usually lift at the most for about an hour or so. i spend about 40 mins doind cardio at the gym when i do it. so only the days i do cardio am i at the gym for almost 3 hours.

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 01:59 PM

well i guess id be at the gym almost 2 hours because i spend about 40mins running at home. so...whatever..

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 02:00 PM

Man you are killing me. WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS for doing another cycle???

Your diet sucks !! sorry to hurt your feelings.
Here is an example of my daily food intake for growing

Meal 1 10 egg whites/2 whole eggs (scrambled)
8 oz of Oatmeal
1/2 grapefruit

Meal 2 12-16 oz chicken breast
Large baked potato or sweet potato

Meal 3 12-16 oz lean steak
Large baked potato

Meal 4 2 cans Albacore Tuna
16 oz brown rice

Meal 5 8 oz chicken breast
8 oz brown rice

Meal 6 1 can Tuna
1 meal shake

This varies sometimes depending on cutting or bulking but that is a basic day EVERYDAY
EVERY 2.5 hours you need to be eating !!

anything less and you are NOT gonna get big!!

What are your workouts like, what is your bodypart split

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by 2003sonicblue

well i guess id be at the gym almost 2 hours because i spend about 40mins running at home. so...whatever..

So, are you saying that you do cardio BEFORE you do the weights?

If so, switch it up.

Its always better to do them separately, like cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, then later in the day do the weights, BUT if you have to do them together ALWAYS do the weights first and cardio after

STILL WAITING TO HEAR YOUR FREAKIN GOALS !!!!!!!!!

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 02:05 PM

thats all pretty much what i do! i keep alot of hardboiled eggs in the fridge and i eat them constantly. i eat lots of rice and tuna as well, just not daily. as far as goals go, id like to keep my fat percentage and just gain some size and strength. the cycle i did before was doing just that, so i was very happy with it. im just curious if i could run winstrol or a50 instead of dbol for about 6 weeks and if it would benefit me anymore to use a different test instead of a test blend like sust..

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 02:06 PM

no i can do them anytime. i just never knew it made a difference. i usally run, then go to the gym and lift, then finish up with 20 mins or so on the bike and 20 on the elyptical

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 02:08 PM

Personally I hate SUST ! no need to have 4 different esters floating in my body unless i am doing HRT.

I would go with a long ester like Test E or Test Cyp and run it for 12 weeks at 500mgs/week
you can add the winny form weeks 9-14 at the end to harden up your gains and dry you out.

I would however suggest you wait on doing any more cycles until you get the basics down better.

There are great forums here that can help get your diet and training in line so you are not burning up your muscles

GOOD luck

**SMAN12b** · 12-21-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by 2003sonicblue

no i can do them anytime. i just never knew it made a difference. i usally run, then go to the gym and lift, then finish up with 20 mins or so on the bike and 20 on the elyptical

It definitely makes a difference. too hard to try to explain in here as I am tired of typing right now, but it has to do with the different sugars burned during anaerobic VS aerobic exercise. So better to have the intensity on the weights then finish up with cardio so that you are not already drained AFTER cardio and your weights drop down due to lack of energy

**2003sonicblue** · 12-21-2006, 02:12 PM

thats why i havent started yet. i want to make sure i know everything i need to know before i do. i was wanting to run test e at 600mg week and deca at 500. i thought i could use the winstrol to jumpstart the cycle. so it wouldnt make sense to run it 1-4 then 9-14?

**taiboxa** · 12-21-2006, 03:09 PM

i have an ANSWER TO every interogative sentence in this thread cept for wat are his goals one by sman..

CLICK THIS LINK
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=243772
its also in MY signature but is usually overlooked

READ THAT THREAD 3-4times! all pages.. LEARN IT it will help u from asking common redundent questions that we see 10083019401times a day on this forum.
good luck

**ecs44** · 12-21-2006, 03:38 PM

wow,that was painful

**worldpower** · 12-21-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by SMAN12B

Well there are parts of your problem. 3 hour workouts are senseless. Anything more than 45-60min is overkill or your just hanging out at the gym

layout your food for a typical day. Calories etc..guarantee you are NOT eating as well or as much as you think

If you are not eating at least 6-8 meals a day with the correct amount of Protein , Good Carbs, and yes FAT, then you will not grow like you could if you do it correctly!!!

very true, no more then 45min to 60min, i see guys that are thereall time with no results, and i go in there like for 60min then im out,and there like "wtf" ?
I got far more results then them and i spend far less tomie in the gym but my 60min are intense as hell